Hell in the Cell 2015.

[Hammer]

"like a caucasian kamala..."

im very scared for the day when they try to turn new day face again, because theyre amazing.

[HollywoodLeo]

Do not. I didn't mind Wyatt/Reigns. I just don't understand & dispise why they want to go back to Taker/Wyatt.

Why not?

The WM match didn't go as well as it could have after Wyatt injured himself and Taker was still hobbling.

He seems to be in better shape now and Wyatt's injury was just a general injury.

And Taker is the entire basis of Wyatt's current "New face of fear" gimmick so it makes sense he's not going to forget about him.

[HollywoodLeo]

"like a caucasian kamala..."

im very scared for the day when they try to turn new day face again, because theyre amazing.

It'll likely happen.

Typical WWE booking. Heels get over because of how awesome they are as heels, so they turn them face where their gimmick just doesn't work as well.

Sometimes that works (The Rock comes to mind) but most of the time it diminishes half of what makes them awesome.

[Slyder]

Why not?

The WM match didn't go as well as it could have after Wyatt injured himself and Taker was still hobbling.

He seems to be in better shape now and Wyatt's injury was just a general injury.

And Taker is the entire basis of Wyatt's current "New face of fear" gimmick so it makes sense he's not going to forget about him.

Because its going to be more of the same Wyatt brings in a bunch of guys, Taker gets reinforcements, Wyatt gets more, in the end the face (in this case Taker) gets his in the end and Wyatt will be no closer to main event like he's done in every feud since that disgrace of a Cena feud.

[HollywoodLeo]

Because its going to be more of the same Wyatt brings in a bunch of guys, Taker gets reinforcements, Wyatt gets more, in the end the face (in this case Taker) gets his in the end and Wyatt will be no closer to main event like he's done in every feud since that disgrace of a Cena feud.

But you can make that same presumption with anybody they move him to.

[Hammer]

i still havent watched lesnar/taker yet, so i dont know how it comes off yet. but its always better to be in a feud with a guy like taker, then it is floundering, beating irrelevant faces like ziggler, neville, or whoever else.

[Slyder]

But you can make that same presumption with anybody they move him to.

Why do you think I'd like to make him a face and play mind games with HHH and Seth .

I still believe Wyatt should be a guy that they are working on a feud with the prize fighter that is BRRRRRRRRROCK Lesnar at a Rumble or Summerslam. Spinning the wheels does nothing toward that goal, maybe if Orton didn't seperate his shoulder you could go there and bide some time. Cesaro maybe but does that really lead anywhere for either? Maybe use Wyatt as part of the upcoming Seth Rollins/HHH feud to get Seth reestablished as a face?

[HollywoodLeo]

Why do you think I'd like to make him a face and play mind games with HHH and Seth .

Which brings me back to my original claim that you'd despise anything that doesn't involve a face turn.

I still believe Wyatt should be a guy that they are working on a feud with the prize fighter that is BRRRRRRRRROCK Lesnar at a Rumble or Summerslam. Spinning the wheels does nothing toward that goal, maybe if Orton didn't seperate his shoulder you could go there and bide some time. Cesaro maybe but does that really lead anywhere for either? Maybe use Wyatt as part of the upcoming Seth Rollins/HHH feud to get Seth reestablished as a face?

If you want him to face Brock at Summer Slam or the Rumble then ok, but he has to do something between now and then.

[Hammer]

ok, finally got through the show. took me a little while. not because it was a bad show, i just wanted to watch it without interruption.

cesaro was the mvp of the 6 man, hes really awesome. alberto and zeb were a nice surprise, and should make for an interesting dynamic for a bit. i always liked albertos ring work, but his promo work and gimmick were always pretty meh to me. but zeb is so awesome, he made jack swagger intriguing for a little while. so this could work. reigns/wyatt was a legit good match. new day/dudleys was what it was, new day finally got a... semi... clean win. same goes for rollins/kane. i guess the same for owens/ryback too. taker/lesnar was pretty damn solid. i think brock was legit loopy from hitting the ring post early in the match. but he came back around, and it became pretty damn hard hitting. good storytelling on the ending too, brock became the guy who got desperate. good stuff.

i thought the ending was pretty cool actually. them carrying him to the back. its obvious the company thinks highly of wyatt... you dont have a multiple month feud with the new golden boy, and then go right into a feud with the undertaker, if they dont see something. yes, id like to see wyatt win the feud. thats more than likely not gonna happen, unless taker knows hes on his way out... and taker has always been a guy about the business. if this is his retirement run, he'll put over wyatt on the way out. ill let it play out, he looked great vs reigns, and then he closed the ppv as being the dominant force. i dont consider brock a heel really, but if you want to throw him in too, bray is clearly number 3 in the pecking order of heels... brock, seth, then bray and then new day, right now.

[HollywoodLeo]

I'm pretty sure Brock is a face now. He's just that "blurred line" kind of face that still uses heel tactics even though he's a face.

[Hammer]

brock is just... brock, to me. hes in his own category. he destroys faces, he destroys heels, he gets cheered because hes a beast, but heyman cuts quasi heelish promos. so yea, i dont consider him a heel... i dont really consider him a face either though. hes just brock lesnar. and hes awesome.