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[Slyder]

*See Brock Lesnar's title reign* They basically did just that.

You emphasize the tag, IC, and US belts like they matter. Use the TV time to develop rivalries and use them as a tournament where you only have 20ish spots available for the guys on the roster because you have many part timers (former world champs) who are "locks" (IE Rock, Y2J, Austin, Taker, Brock, etc) and put the time into the rest of the roster.

You got MITB where you can get creative and do what Vince has done best over the years... take others ideas and make them his own. Something along the lines of multiple breifcases or guys winning rights to pick which match they're in: one be guarenteed a slot after 20 or 30, if you do 40, in the rumble. One be like the actual MITB breifcase. IC/US belt match at Mania, Pick the stip match,etc. If you want to make it multiple matches then you can get a ton of people on a PPV who doesn't normally get tv time. Reintroduce guys like Damien Sandow, debut NXT guys.

[ImJussSayin]

A lot of those types of matches existed in TNA, whether that be a good or bad thing, who knows. I would say the opposite about Brock Lesnar's reign. He was champ. You knew he was champ. TV was basically a chance for anyone to prove they're a worthy challenger, because there was such a gap between Lesnar and everyone else. Almost made the title seem more prestigious in a way, to me, because you simply had ONE guy that was at the top. No debating it or anything.

I guess to me, with Brock, their was still a guy to chase and beat. Yet unlike with a lot of champions, you knew he would never be booked as a beatable champion. You would would never have the feeling of the champ can lose to anyone, at any time. You get that with a lot of smaller/quick type of heels. But the longer the title remains vacant, the less sense it makes. From a company standpoint, both in story in real life, it feels like it would equate to saying you are going to take your time to hire a new GM in sports. Usually there are more people gone than just the GM, and you aren't going to replace them because you want whoever you to decide on as GM to have his guys in place. Well, the longer you go, chances are you are going to start hurting how well you work in the offseason. Harder to make trades, sign FAs, scout prospects, etc.

If you take your sweet time figuring out who is champion, or setting up the scenario to figure out your next champ, it kind of devalues the title to me. Basically it is like saying you don't care if you have a champion. Any vacant title should be dealt with swiftly. The end result doesn't have to be immediate, but like with this tournament, they started the process immediately. I don't think having gimmick matches over the course of a couple months prior to a Royal Rumble is really progress. Perhaps because there are 30 possible winners 2 months prior, and the same number of potential winners once the match starts.

That is why I think you could get away with it if the belt was vacated a month prior, maybe just sliiiiightly longer, to the Royal Rumble. Gives you four weeks or so to do all those interesting scenarios, hopefully not letting them get too stale. As I was typing all this, a thought came to me. What if you maybe had Seth somehow wait a couple of weeks before being stripped? I still think it would have been too far away in this situation, but in another situation? Could work.

Plus... I think the WWE relies so much upon the RR winner's road to Mania. Although with the right guys, a change in story would be a nice break. Reigns heel turn, Bryan returns for a title shot at Mania.

[Slyder]

A lot of those types of matches existed in TNA, whether that be a good or bad thing, who knows. I would say the opposite about Brock Lesnar's reign. He was champ. You knew he was champ. TV was basically a chance for anyone to prove they're a worthy challenger, because there was such a gap between Lesnar and everyone else. Almost made the title seem more prestigious in a way, to me, because you simply had ONE guy that was at the top. No debating it or anything.

I guess to me, with Brock, their was still a guy to chase and beat. Yet unlike with a lot of champions, you knew he would never be booked as a beatable champion. You would would never have the feeling of the champ can lose to anyone, at any time. You get that with a lot of smaller/quick type of heels. But the longer the title remains vacant, the less sense it makes. From a company standpoint, both in story in real life, it feels like it would equate to saying you are going to take your time to hire a new GM in sports. Usually there are more people gone than just the GM, and you aren't going to replace them because you want whoever you to decide on as GM to have his guys in place. Well, the longer you go, chances are you are going to start hurting how well you work in the offseason. Harder to make trades, sign FAs, scout prospects, etc.

And he was basically absent. They didn't even mention the belt except maybe a cutaway during whatever Reigns was doing. Thats another rant from a few pages back. Then what about legitimize MITB? Not exactly a big 4 but it give you a couple months.

If you take your sweet time figuring out who is champion, or setting up the scenario to figure out your next champ, it kind of devalues the title to me. Basically it is like saying you don't care if you have a champion. Any vacant title should be dealt with swiftly. The end result doesn't have to be immediate, but like with this tournament, they started the process immediately. I don't think having gimmick matches over the course of a couple months prior to a Royal Rumble is really progress. Perhaps because there are 30 possible winners 2 months prior, and the same number of potential winners once the match starts.

Every Rumble you have truly a couple (to a handful) of guys who you know could win (except for 2013). You're not going to change that regardless of how you book it. Last year was Ambrose, Reigns, and Bryan. Year before was Reigns, Batista, DB (until Rey was announced as #30)... On a side note they missed an opportunity there... Barrett should have been 30 with that "Bad News" Gimmick.


You got the legends use them. Use guys like Booker T, Sting, Flair, Austin, Rock, hell Nash to talk about what it means. Bring in the Weasel to talk about that 1992 Rumble. They know how to sell themselves and this opportunity to an audience. The crowds love nostalgia pops, this Rumble would be one HUGE Rumble Nostalgia pop.

That is why I think you could get away with it if the belt was vacated a month prior, maybe just sliiiiightly longer, to the Royal Rumble. Gives you four weeks or so to do all those interesting scenarios, hopefully not letting them get too stale. As I was typing all this, a thought came to me. What if you maybe had Seth somehow wait a couple of weeks before being stripped? I still think it would have been too far away in this situation, but in another situation? Could work.

The dirt sheets kill any chance of sitting on it as soon as word got out that Rollins pretty much f'd up everything you can in a knee. As soon as that happens you can't drag out anything realistically.

Plus... I think the WWE relies so much upon the RR winner's road to Mania. Although with the right guys, a change in story would be a nice break. Reigns heel turn, Bryan returns for a title shot at Mania.

That's where the multiple MITB matches could come into work. One of those could be the equivalent to winning the Rumble. You could give it to a guy like Owens (for example, not saying I would) and come time for all the steps to "qualify" he says I don't need this. Or you give it to a Rollins type heel and he says "there's always a Plan B" or you give it to a face as a means to try and tell a story of (insert villian here) trying to steal the right away from the baby face. Bryan in the lead up to 30 was AWESOME but at this point the Yes Chant is more over than he is. Do you really want to risk Mania main event on him staying healthy when I've heard he's on borrowed time like Edge was with his neck?

[ImJussSayin]

Doesn't have to be Bryan, but he is about the only guy I can think of. It would essentially have to be someone who isn't currently on the show to be involved in chasing for the belt. Which means Reigns/Cena or the card reads Reigns/Lesnar for a second straight year.

I know the dirt sheet spilled the beans on Seth. My point was you could stall and maybe wait a week before officially stripping him of the belt. I did that to realistically figure out how far away an injury could happen from the RR to allow the match itself to determine champion, without the booking prior being boring and stale. So to undermine my point, undermines the idea you proposed haha. As far as nostalgia pops go, this wouldn't be a pop. A pop is a moment. So unless you think The Authority announcing the Rumble was a title match is going to get a huge pop... I don't know. A pop art the end of the match would be for the winner, not for nostalgia.

Also, pointing out Brock was absent didn't dispute anything I said. If anything, it is in line with what I said. He didn't have to compete on a regular basis because you knew he was above and beyond everyone else. You fight for the chance to face him.

To have a vacant title for two months, it means for two months if you win or lose is irrelevant outside of the one gimmick match per show that affects the rumble itself. Essentially you're having all your top talents in limbo.

Most storylines are simply a story distracting someone from going after a title. The championship is the ultimate goal, right? So I don't get how having a vacant title for an extended period of time is a good idea.

In all the gimmick matches, you wouldn't screw anyone over because you would only be helping another enemy. So basically you would keep the same rivalries and alliances as is as well.

Here's a nostalgia trip for you... Ambrose gets hit by a car so he can't compete (Later revealed to be Reigns). Reigns wins title, and Dean comes in a few weeks on a crusade. Or have Rikishi come back and do it again for family.

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[Slyder]

Saw online that Cesaro needs surgery and is going to be out 4-6 months.

[Slyder]

Cesaro had surgery and is now out 4-6 months.

Cesaro reportedly has shoulder injury, surgery could put him out for 4-6 months - Cageside Seats

[Slyder]

I wish they'd done this at Survivor Series rather than put the belt on the Giant Jar of Mayo.


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[Foster]

The league of nations?

I just want more 5:15.

[Hammer]

the league of nations makes me wish they didnt let cena beat owens twice clean, and he was the champ right now.

[HollywoodLeo]

Owens will get his shot. I'm not too worried about him.

I feel like they had to give Sheamus this run to keep the MITB legitimate (unless you're name is Damien Sandow)

It'll probably end when Cena returns then.

[Slyder]

I know better than to hope that this creative team books this so that Wade can get to main event status.

[HollywoodLeo]

I know better than to infer that that's even hinted as a remote possibility from the premise they set up.

[Slyder]

I know better than to infer that that's even hinted as a remote possibility from the premise they set up.

How long before we see Cane Dewey signs again? Foley's baby boy was hired on the creative team. Hey good luck to Mini Mick... He can't do worse than his predecessors have.

[HollywoodLeo]

I finally found a move worse than "The Cobra" and "The Worm"

[Slyder]

I finally found a move worse than "The Cobra" and "The Worm"

Still better than 95% of any Raw or Smackdown this year. Joey Ryan was one of the few shinning lights on TNA when I watched.