Official WWE/TNA/ROH Thread

[Stoney]

BTW, apparently the WWE locker room is wondering if HBK's return as a guest referee for the HIAC match between Orton and Bryan is to get him in a storyline that will have him wrestle one more match at Wrestlemania 30. If that happens, then I would assume that it would be against Triple H and the only way I would have that match happen is if it's Triple H's last match. Personally, I don't believe it for a second. HBK simply doesn't look to be in a good wrestling shape and at his age, it would probably take longer than the time between HIAC and WM30 to get into shape for the match.

I disagree... If you listen to any interview that he does he's always talking about staying in shape (not ring shape, but at least staying healthy and working out). He's not THAT old, and since he's been off for a few years he's had more than enough time to heal up the nagging injuries that he had at the end of his run. As much as I would love to see HBK wrestle again, it would go against everything he's said. When he lost his retirement match to Undertaker he said he would never wrestle again. He didn't want to be like Ric Flair, retire and keep coming back to wrestle again.

What I think would be cool, is to set up a situation where Bryan wins the Royal Rumble (as has been hinted), but have Triple H as champion heading into WrestleMania with the ultimate storyline conclusion being Bryan beats H for the title at WrestleMania. Have HBK in Bryan's corner (playing on Jose Lethario in HBK's corner at WM12). I know nobody really wants to see Triple H as champion again but I think this would make for a great conclusion to the whole "Best for Business" for Bryan to prove that he is not a B+ player...

[mntwinsfan]

Bryan should be the champion by now. The games the wwe plays is a joke. They only want guys like ADR, Cena, Orton or HHH as the champions. What is the bigger shock to me is why they have not given a shot to guys like Ziggler a chance at being the face and champion of the Raw side of the WWE. What I see is they have young talent and they are not using them properly. Why is it that Cena gets the shot right away. Should he not have to get a few matches in to see how he feels after the surgery that was done.

Bryan should be a champion as well. The crowd loves him and I would bet he sell a ton of merchandise. WWE needs to make some changes. Get rid of the old and give the younger guys the chances they deserve.

[HollywoodLeo]

They're pushing Bryan. What more do want?

Getting a guy over in the world of FAKE wrestling doesn't mean just handing them the title and being done with it.

Bryan is obviously being pushed as the guy that should have the title but is being held back by the antagonists of the current booking.

If they were only interested in burying him and didn't agree with you they A) wouldn't be involving him as the pushed over main face in the title hunt only to be screwed over and B) wouldn't be shoving Cena aside for a World Title run. (That last part kinda stinks, but at least it leaves the WWE strap open).

This whole "they're not using Bryan like they should when he's so over" just because he doesn't physically have the title even though he's clearly the center of the storyline never makes any sense to me.

Although, I do fear Big Show is moving to the front of all of that making my argument for naught. But I still think Bryan's in line to win the Rumble and perhaps they don't want the "They keep holding Bryan down" angle to get too stale too fast.

[mntwinsfan]

They are holding Bryan down because of the bs Orton angle. I mean time to move on already.

[HollywoodLeo]

He's not being held down, though.

He's being propped UP by being pitted against the "company man" in Orton.

You don't get somebody over, or build on how over they already are, by just giving them the title and doing nothing much else with it.

As is, he's already a two-time WWE champion and when he finally gets his title run (which he will get, another thing the cynics who just want to see him holding a title and don't get the concept of a storyline/push) he can make the claim that he's a THREE TIME WWE champ.

[Slyder]

Bryan should be the champion by now. The games the wwe plays is a joke. They only want guys like ADR, Cena, Orton or HHH as the champions.

He's being featured in the main event nightly on tv, he's THE main event most nights, he's the main event on PPV. I have 0 doubt he's getting a sustained title run at some point but what good is just plopping the belt on him without all the games? If you just give a guy the big belt he's gonna be exposed for a joke (see Jack Swagger, and arguably Daniel Bryan's WHC reign). He's getting even further over with the games with the crowd. They are treating this whole situation (DB full filling a dream) like Mankind/Mick Foley. I have really enjoyed the whole build even if it means having to tolerate Randy Borton on my tv screen.

What is the bigger shock to me is why they have not given a shot to guys like Ziggler a chance at being the face and champion of the Raw side of the WWE. What I see is they have young talent and they are not using them properly.

I'm gonna let Ziggler's own words speak about this. Dolph Ziggler - "I get in trouble all the time", Daniel Bryan as champ, stand up comedy, more - YouTube ~4:45 mark, could it also have something to do with the concussion and they want Ziggler to be 100% for bigger things later? You look back the same guys weren't always in the picture. Rock "lowered" himself to fued with Billy Gunn... This is just them taking some time for Ziggler to find the right spot.

Why is it that Cena gets the shot right away. Should he not have to get a few matches in to see how he feels after the surgery that was done.

Well lets look at the current situation. Heel WHC (ADR), Heel MITB (Sandow) what does Sandow get from cashing in on a guy who isn't that over IMO as champ? What face is there to really compete with ADR? Ziggler? seen that dozen times already. Miz? Popocrn fart as a face. Rey? Still hurt.

What is said champ's finisher? Arm bar. What type of surgery did super ridiculously over (with women and kids and merchandise buyers)have? Elbow/Tricep. My prediction for this WHC match, Cena wins and ADR is going to put the armbar on Cena for a "long time" when he releases here comes Sandow. From here you can go Cena/ADR, Cena/Sandow, Sandow/Rhodes, Sandow/Ziggler (if you want to build more for Cody v Dustin at Mania another rumor I heard). So what better way to get some heat on the "future" than to cash in on Cena?

Get rid of the old and give the younger guys the chances they deserve.

I would argue that's exactly what they've been doing... granted out of necessity but they've put 3 nxt guys as the muscle for the biggest asshole heel right now and they've given them belts. They've beat the heck out of a number of stars, CM Punk is almost back to where he was after the Pipebomb heard round the world, Bryan is THE main event of Raw, a renewed tag team division with a lot of new young tag teams, Bray Wyatt, Sandow, Cody Rhodes (another one I'm not a real fan of) is the 2nd biggest story on the entire program. We'll see what happens with Cena, it might be a one night deal where he goes away again with another "injury" to come back at the Rumble.

[Slyder]

So Kane comes back and immediately joins McMahon faction.... Wyatt's working for McMahons?

[Slyder]

Poor Sandow.... I just saw what opened the show. Wyatt attack Bryan AND Punk that is interesting. Thank God they went another way with Big Show now.

[HollywoodLeo]

I'm officially done with the WWE. Way to bury Sandow making him job to a one armed John Cena just so the poster boy can tote around a push he doesn't even need and kill his MITB.

I didn't even finish watching Raw after that ended. I don't even care about spoilers like I typically do. I doubt I watch another WWE show for awhile.

[HollywoodLeo]

I'd feel better had they not played to Cena's injury but, instead, had him actually play completely healed, but Sandow, not buying it, cashed in anyway only to result in a five star match that he just didn't win in the end.

I'd still call bullshit because there's no point in making him lose his case in a throw-away match just to remove the pending threat, but I'd still keep watching to see where they're taking it.

Instead, what we got was Sandow desperately beating away at the arm, Cena selling it to the point of not even using it anymore, but still kicking out of everything Sandow does to include magically lifting him with this same arm that he otherwise can't seem to lift on its own...then beat him by barely lifting him on his shoulder and dropping him from shoulder height.

The commentators will no doubt spin it as a "great effort!" by Sandow but that's bullshit. It made him look weak not being able to beat a one armed opponent then easily succumbing to that lame rendition of the one armed AA.

[Slyder]

I'm officially done with the WWE. Way to bury Sandow making him job to a one armed John Cena just so the poster boy can tote around a push he doesn't even need and kill his MITB.

I didn't even finish watching Raw after that ended. I don't even care about spoilers like I typically do. I doubt I watch another WWE show for awhile.

Couldn't they use this as a means to push Sandow character into another "evolution"? Many of the dirt sheets I read said he wasn't that over and they were looking for a way to change him up. Maybe drive him to a "I've lost my smile" type moment and he goes away for a few months comes back with a new look and some new vignettes. He's too talented not to get there but he may just be one of them that needs a freshening up?

I want to know where they are going with the Wyatts. "The Devil made me do it"? Are we going back to the Corporate Ministry? Kane just willingly hands his mask to Stephanie one night after he comes back. Wyatts then attack both Punk and Bryan.

[Foster]

Punk -v- Wyatt Family could be quite interesting. Throw in Bryan, and, oh hey look, Survivor Series is just around the corner.

Kane, Wyatt's -v- Punk, Brayn, Ziggler, someone else in a traditional survior series match. I'd watch that.

[Foster]

There it is, The Miz. That's your fourth member. And maybe I wouldn't watch it now.

[Slyder]

There it is, The Miz. That's your fourth member. And maybe I wouldn't watch it now.

I wish they left The Miz as heel. I was a Mizfit while he was a heel, now he's just dumb. Should have let Miz stay off tv a while after that butt kicking in his hometown and brought back the pompous a-hole I TOLD YOU SO Heel. If you are right about the traditional survivor series match then who is Orton gonna fight? Big Show? Please HHH no, I rather see HHH and Show while Orton has a night off. I kind of wish we get a Shield face turn as the Corporate Team decides Kane and the Wyatts are better muscle and casts the Shield to the side. Kane or Bray Wyatt win the US belt. I think you could do wonders for at least 2 members.

[Foster]

You could do wonders for all 3 members if you ask me. Ambrose and Rollins have talent, and could be great singles comeptitors. Reigns needs some work for in ring skill (still pretty raw), but could turn out to be a great performer. Remember he comes from this family tree, how does he not have some talent hiden in there. He'll have a great story, and has a great "look" one that I buy into.