Official WWE/TNA/ROH Thread

[HollywoodLeo]

As for the Shield as faces, I'm not saying that can't work, but you don't give that payoff away in one fell swoop. They're over as heels right now and it makes WAAAAAAY too much sense for the faction to use them as their muscle. I mean, it makes so much sense it's painfully obvious. Predicting the Shield as their muscle is like predicting what the Sun will do tomorrow morning around sunrise.

If you want to turn the Shield face have the faction keep doing like they did on Raw and overwork them until the point they get abused, then they get frustrated, then sometime down the line (AND ONLY THEN) they get sick of it and turn.

If they turned on Raw you immediately kill all of the heat they just gained by HHH and Orton's heel turn.

[Slyder]

The Sheild fits so perfectly as their muscle it'd almost be stupid not to use them.

You may have a valid point regarding the heel vs face numbers but the Shield aren't the ones you turn...at the very least not just yet.

And don't say continuity after their long battles with Bryan, lol

Also, I'd squash those fears. If they wanted to squash Bryan's heat he wouldn't be the centerpiece of all the screwjobs and the focus of the show.

Orton's being pandered as the main heel, so maybe you can argue that's holding another heel down, but don't be cynical about Bryan. It's painfully obvious they're building him up now, has been for months.

If they wanted to bury Bryan for real and not just in storyline as they've been doing he would have lost clean to Cena and moved on.

No they would have turned him heel like they did Ryback and then fed him to Cena and Orton still cashes in. This is also the company who in recent years has screwed up the Nexus, Summer of Punk, Del Rio, Kofi, gave Orton the WHC with no build as a face. We shall see.

[HollywoodLeo]

No they would have turned him heel like they did Ryback and then fed him to Cena and Orton still cashes in. This is also the company who in recent years has screwed up the Nexus, Summer of Punk, Del Rio, Kofi, gave Orton the WHC with no build as a face. We shall see.

I'm not saying they can't screw this angle up. I'm not naive. I'm just saying they're not going to screw it up by burying Bryan because it's obvious they're building him. There's other ways to screw it up. We both agree on HHH's lame explanation for instance (although that doesn't kill it, just created a lame part of the segment, so there's still hope)

[Stoney]

It made absolutely no sense for a 3-on-1 Shield vs. Ziggler, and again Shield vs. Big Show... What else doesn't make sense is why Ricardo and RVD would "align together." Del Rio is on this role model for the latinos kick, it should have been Ricardo and Mysterio (who should be returning anytime now) to go against Del Rio... Don't get me wrong, I love that they are putting RVD in the World Title picture but this just doesn't make any sense to me after his match at Summerslam with Ambrose...

WE ALSO NEED MORE ZACK RYDER ON TV!!!!

[HollywoodLeo]

I don't disagree regarding Ricardo and RVD. That just seemed weird.

As for Shield 3 on 1s, that made perfect sense. They're painting the McMahons/HHH as the overbearing dictator ownership. How does it not make sense for them to punish naysayers with handicap matches?

As for Ryder, no thank you. Most overhyped by the fans wrestler ever. I've never understood all the hype.

It's always seemed to me fans hyped him out of sheer spite because he was a random jobber at a time when the main event booking stunk even 100 x worse than it's still been today.

His gimmick is stupid, his in ring work while not horrible isn't anything spectacular, and his mic work is limited to "WOO WOO WOO, YOU KNOW IT"

[Stoney]

Hater! Don't be hatin' on Ryder...

I mean I understand the 3-on-1 matches, but at the same time, it only made Vince/HHH look that much worse to the fans... It did absolutely nothing for The Shield themselves, and took something away from starting a program for Ziggler, unless of course they have Ziggler chase the Ambrose and the US Title which would be a COMPLETE waste for Ziggles... I was really hoping for the furthering of Henry/Show vs. The Shield but it didn't really happen... Show kinda did, but only because of his "disparaging" remarks...

They lost a golden opportunity to really build on the foundation of programs that have been set up... While worst Raw may have been overblown, it was in the bottom 5 Raw's for this year...

[HollywoodLeo]

but at the same time, it only made Vince/HHH look that much worse to the fans...

That's kind of what you want to do when you're trying to build up a heel faction.

It did absolutely nothing for The Shield themselves,

It didn't hurt them either

and took something away from starting a program for Ziggler, unless of course they have Ziggler chase the Ambrose and the US Title which would be a COMPLETE waste for Ziggles...

WWE title picture seems focused on Bryan/Orton right now. Would you rather Ziggler just not have any feuds at all for the time being?

And it doesn't have to set him up against Ambrose anyway. He was in that match by order of HHH and co. He could focus his ire on them and there's your introduction/starting point.

I was really hoping for the furthering of Henry/Show vs. The Shield but it didn't really happen... Show kinda did, but only because of his "disparaging" remarks...

You must have missed the part of the interview where Show said he and Henry were aiming at the tag titles.

They lost a golden opportunity to really build on the foundation of programs that have been set up... While worst Raw may have been overblown, it was in the bottom 5 Raw's for this year...

I don't see how they missed that. They clearly established Orton as a heel on HHH's side, something that wasn't completely clear on the swerve at SummerSlam (he could have just been opportunistic, which was my fear before Raw). They clearly established HHH and Vince as in cahoots. And they clearly established Daniel Bryan as the underdog they're beating down. They didn't hurt their cause at all.

My only gripe was HHH's reasoning of "I did it for you guys, I still like Bryan but he's a B+" yadda yadda. I do wish he'd just come out and say "I don't like him, he's not good for the company, I don't give a shit". In other words, like Vince did with Austin.

Other than that, I think it worked well.

[Slyder]

Hater! Don't be hatin' on Ryder...

I mean I understand the 3-on-1 matches, but at the same time, it only made Vince/HHH look that much worse to the fans... It did absolutely nothing for The Shield themselves, and took something away from starting a program for Ziggler, unless of course they have Ziggler chase the Ambrose and the US Title which would be a COMPLETE waste for Ziggles... I was really hoping for the furthering of Henry/Show vs. The Shield but it didn't really happen... Show kinda did, but only because of his "disparaging" remarks...

They lost a golden opportunity to really build on the foundation of programs that have been set up... While worst Raw may have been overblown, it was in the bottom 5 Raw's for this year...

They missed a chance on Ryder back when the whole Jersey Shore thing was popular. I compare him to Brutus Beefcake of this time, he could make some money and have a long career but he is what he is a good guy to use in the low to mid card ranks to get heels started.

The next big 4 PPV is Survivor Series (I think) maybe they're trying to build up sort of an alliance around Ziggler and Strong Show to take on Shield while Bryan takes on the head of the snake (pardon the word play Vince, Orton, HHH, Steph). I still think this is retarded if this doesn't end up wiht Shield face turn at some point and telling the McMahon to kiss their collective arses.

And I agree with Leo, so long as Rollins didn't seriously hurt his knee last night the way the numbers game worked out with both matches were fine. Shield had promonent role in last night events which is what they have needed.

[Foster]

You guys are all missing the worst part of the show. Los Matadores. W.T.F?

[Hammer]

i guess i was the only one that loved the b+ part from steph and trips? that is like the biggest put down they couldve given to him... it was such a stick in the ass. 'youre great, we love you, we want you to wrestle... but just for the ic and us title'. its pretty much saying heres the glass ceiling, youll get no higher.

[Slyder]

You guys are all missing the worst part of the show. Los Matadores. W.T.F?

Tito Santana just called and said he wants a cut from royalties.

[HollywoodLeo]

i guess i was the only one that loved the b+ part from steph and trips? that is like the biggest put down they couldve given to him... it was such a stick in the ass. 'youre great, we love you, we want you to wrestle... but just for the ic and us title'. its pretty much saying heres the glass ceiling, youll get no higher.

I didn't hate the "B+" remark so much as the apologetic "You're still my friend, I still like you" tone.

I would have preferred a more cold and calous tone saying "Yeah, Daniel, is good, but he's only a B+, deal with it".

Kinda nitpicking I guess.

[HollywoodLeo]

BTW, that CM Punk promo calling out the fat guy in the audience alone makes this hardly anywhere near the bottom 5 of Raws this year.

[Foster]

i guess i was the only one that loved the b+ part from steph and trips?

No I loved it too. Really enjoyed Steph's "a really good B+"

[Slyder]

i guess i was the only one that loved the b+ part from steph and trips? that is like the biggest put down they couldve given to him... it was such a stick in the ass. 'youre great, we love you, we want you to wrestle... but just for the ic and us title'. its pretty much saying heres the glass ceiling, youll get no higher.

I didn't have a problem with Steph's part (I even thought her glomping Randy was a nice touch....) my problem was HHH saying he did this for all of us and mentioning the problems of the past between he and Randy... I hate when he tries to be the pandering heel, I would have much rather him just gone full on daddy-in-law like Stone Cold rant. It just came off so stupid.