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[Witlon]

It felt like Vince was trying to swerve the internet again. I'm guessing he was thinking that the internet would expect the belt off of Brock, since he's a part timer, and ran Rollins in to try to throw us off.

Oh, and by the way...the internet favorites(Cesaro, Ziggler, Paige, and to a lesser extent, Henry & Brock) all lost last night.

[Witlon]

I wonder how much of the main event had to be scrapped altogether or rewritten with the sudden loss of Roman Reigns. Some reports I read said 4-6 weeks wwe said months.

Like Hammer said in the NFL thread, they better not try to bring Reigns back at the same time as Bryan(The Rumble seems about right for both of them...), or Reigns is completely useless going in to Mania.

[Witlon]

You keep saying that like everyone who ever loses to Cena gets no further push.

And don't cite Ryback. He sucks.

I think BEATING Cena hurts people more than losing to Cena. (At least on PPV anyway.)

Look at the last few years...

2011: Punk beat Cena, jobs to Del Rio. Eventually gets title back because he's their most over babyface, still takes backseat to Cena the next YEAR with the belt.

2012: Ziggler beats Cena, does nothing up to Mania, cashes in for one of the biggest pops in recent memory, misses next PPV, loses belt in first defense, probably won't get back to that level again.

2013: Daniel Bryan beats Cena, has 20 matches with Orton, which ends up with Orton as champion feuding with Cena until the internet revolts at the Rumble and makes them change course.

2013/14: Randy Orton beats Cena at TLC, loses all heat he had. Is basically a lost cause that just needs to go away.

2014: Bray Wyatt beats Cena at Extreme Rules, after Cena basically beat the entire Wyatt Family, loses the rematch and gets tossed into a heatless feud with Chris Jericho.

Seriously, Brock is only guy they've actually kept strong after beating Cena, and if it wasn't Brock, they might have completely undid that with the booking last night.

[Slyder]

I'm gonna actually flip the script and defend Cena... to a point.

I think BEATING Cena hurts people more than losing to Cena. (At least on PPV anyway.)

Look at the last few years...

2011: Punk beat Cena, jobs to Del Rio. Eventually gets title back because he's their most over babyface, still takes backseat to Cena the next YEAR with the belt.

This is all IMO, Punk "gave away" all his leverage (I'm leaving it in quotes because plenty of rumors he was always signed to begin with). This whole thing was ultimately WWE saying we are in control. The fact Punk recovered is a testament to his ability to connect with the crowd and entertain.

2012: Ziggler beats Cena, does nothing up to Mania, cashes in for one of the biggest pops in recent memory, misses next PPV, loses belt in first defense, probably won't get back to that level again.

Ziggler also got the concussion from Swagger (I believe) which derailed him.

2013: Daniel Bryan beats Cena, has 20 matches with Orton, which ends up with Orton as champion feuding with Cena until the internet revolts at the Rumble and makes them change course.

2013/14: Randy Orton beats Cena at TLC, loses all heat he had. Is basically a lost cause that just needs to go away.

The reason Orton lost all the heat was because of HHH and Steph not wanting to the spotlight on anyone else. I am no where near an Orton fan (and haven't been since Legend Killer/start of Legacy) but I really felt bad for Orton. He's boring to me but how many times has his character been neutered by HHH? Whether it was Evolution (Orton owe's the last decade of his career to Taker IMO), this last, and I'm sure there's probably others during periods that I didn't/wasn't watching.

2014: Bray Wyatt beats Cena at Extreme Rules, after Cena basically beat the entire Wyatt Family, loses the rematch and gets tossed into a heatless feud with Chris Jericho.

Extreme Rules is a C pay per view with ~250k buys. You want to elevate a new young star and get people watching they needed to have Wyatt win or tell a better story at Mania with the ~1.1 million sets of eyes watching.

Seriously, Brock is only guy they've actually kept strong after beating Cena, and if it wasn't Brock, they might have completely undid that with the booking last night.

I still wonder how much of last night was changed to prolong this story because of Reigns being out. I know I go on about Cena and many people are probably tired of hearing it but he is a symptom of a much larger problem within the structure of WWE.

[Slyder]

Leo's going to love this rumor....

Lotsa rumors flying that Rusev is going to go into Mania undefeated and Lana is going to cut a promo about being undefeated and issuing an open challenge to anyone in the back. Out comes a repackaged Ryback who proceeds to squash Rusev in like a minute to start a feud for 2015.

To get Rusev away from being undefeated without totally ending him.

[Slyder]

When did Summer and Layla turn heel and should I care?

[Witlon]

When did Summer and Layla turn heel and should I care?

Who are...

No, you shouldn't care. Neither can wrestle, so they're around for no reason, really. I guess Summer is on Total Divas...

[Mach]

I used to like to stare at Layla. No idea if she's changed her style up though.

[Witlon]

I used to like to stare at Layla. No idea if she's changed her style up though.

She does look like she aged 10 years in the last two.

[Hammer]

in a milf way, or an UGGHHH way

[Witlon]

in a milf way, or an UGGHHH way

In a meh kinda way. I don't know, I wouldn't kick her out of bed, but I don't know if I'd walk upstairs to meet her in bed...

[HollywoodLeo]

Say what you will about how they're booking Sandow but he's playing up his current role like a champ.

https://vine.co/v/O7rYtA2gAUz

[Hammer]

theres a gif from noc somewhere, where when miz was bouncing around in the ring like he was ali... you can catch sandow doing the same on the floor. ill try to find it, it was just as awesome as that.

[Hammer]

"in the mean time, thats what youre here for... make me laugh"

as he was staring directly at sandow. that seemed like it was said with a purpose.

[Slyder]

Say what you will about how they're booking Sandow but he's playing up his current role like a champ.

https://vine.co/v/O7rYtA2gAUz

Learning from the Awesome one is always good. I'm sure this will eventually help get Sandow back up on his feet as a face. For whatever reason Miz as a heel gets faces over IMO.