Who is the AL MVP?

[HollywoodLeo]

When the pitcher throws the pitch, that leads to those 3 things you listed.

just playing devils advocate

But if there's people on base it's (mostly) on the pitcher

[Foster]

To kill the Verlander for MVP thing...

Gibson MVP: 304 IP, 1.12 ERA, 28 CGs.
McLain MVP: 336 IP, 1.96 ERA, 28 CGs
Koufax MVP: 311 IP, 1.88 ERA, 20 CGs, 11 SHO
Verlander MVP: 244 IP, 2.40 ERA, 4 CGs

[Porter]

To kill the Verlander for MVP thing...

Gibson MVP: 304 IP, 1.12 ERA, 28 CGs.
McLain MVP: 336 IP, 1.96 ERA, 28 CGs
Koufax MVP: 311 IP, 1.88 ERA, 20 CGs, 11 SHO
Verlander MVP: 244 IP, 2.40 ERA, 4 CGs

ERA+
McClain: 154
Gibson: 268 (yeah he deserved)
Koufax: 159
Verlander: 171

About that argument, Those 3 pitched in a different era than Verlander.

[love_that_reefer]

Yeah I don't think you read the CG's stat!

[Porter]

Koufax 7.775 per start
McClain 8.11 per start
Verlander 7.33 per start

Gibson's season was off the charts. In today's baseball the reliever and pitch counts took over thought processes of managers and how they handled pitchers. Name at any point in time that "setup" men were used in 60's. Imagine Verlander on a different mound (like Gibson, Koufax and McClain) at 15 feet.

[love_that_reefer]

I can name plenty of times setup men were used in the 1960's. They just weren't used near as often as now. Still doesn't take away from Foster's argument that pitchers back then did a lot more than today's pitcher and why they were considered legitimate MVP's. The fact that things are different now makes Foster's point even clearer. Things are different and there are more deserving players for MVP, even on his own team!

[Porter]

I voted for Bautista lol.

[Kingdom]

Well...we...missed. Except for DK, Trendy, and Hammer Nelson.

[DirtyKash]

We're almost in December and I voted on this poll so long ago that I had to go back to find out who I voted for because I honestly didn't remember.

[Kingdom]

CRP Disease?

Can't remember polls?

[Porter]

I can name plenty of times setup men were used in the 1960's. They just weren't used near as often as now. Still doesn't take away from Foster's argument that pitchers back then did a lot more than today's pitcher and why they were considered legitimate MVP's. The fact that things are different now makes Foster's point even clearer. Things are different and there are more deserving players for MVP, even on his own team!

The writers didn't think so, apparently.

[love_that_reefer]

Wouldn't be the first time they were wrong, won't be the last either.

[Trendy Bastard]

Well...we...missed. Except for DK, Trendy, and Hammer Nelson.

Prez you sneaky bastard, getting that pick in after the announcement.

[Foster]

Drinking some sorrows away indeed.