2011 1st Half AL MVP

[GiantsFanatic]

SMH= shake my head(I didn't know either until I googled it)

[realmofotalk]

AGon picked up that team's offense and sent them towards the top of the AL East.

I went with Asdrubal, because he has been the most consistent Indian, and probably single handily led the Indians to where their are right now, despite keys injuries
to their lineup(Sizemore, Choo, and Hafner).

Their contributions to their team are no better than Bautista's to the fourth place Blue Jays.

[realmofotalk]

The point being made is that it's the player most valuable to his team, hence "Most Valuable Player".

That doesn't necessarily mean the best player on the team with the best record, but it also doesn't mean the player with the best overall stats.

My theory is this: the player with the best overall stats would be the most valuable to any other team in his league.

[zodious]

My theory is this: the player with the best overall stats would be the most valuable to any other team in his league.

This is the sense of the words SHOULD be true. HOWEVER. When was the last MVP that was NOT in the playoffs?

[HollywoodLeo]

Albert Pujols, 2008

[HollywoodLeo]

Before that, Ryan Howard, 2006

[HollywoodLeo]

Any rate, what actually happens shouldn't matter in these discussions.

It's like debating about Hall of Fame status. I don't want to know what you think the BBWAA thinks. I want to know what you think.

[love_that_reefer]

Their contributions to their team are no better than Bautista's to the fourth place Blue Jays.

Those aren't arguments for team winning percentage or standings to the MVP and with or without Bautista, the Jays are probably in 4th anyway. If that's all you took for those comments then you aren't reading thoroughly, especially my comment and my NL MVP thread. No one has made the argument that standings=MVP. I will say this though, no MVP should ever come from a last place team.

[love_that_reefer]

My theory is this: the player with the best overall stats would be the most valuable to any other team in his league.

Which is why I'm glad you don't have a vote. Having the best stats doesn't make you the most valuable.

[love_that_reefer]

This is the sense of the words SHOULD be true. HOWEVER. When was the last MVP that was NOT in the playoffs?

There have been more than plenty that haven't made the playoffs as Leo has pointed out recent ones. Those words SHOULD NOT be true.

[Foster]

All of you that agree with Gonzalez also share the same opinion as Tim McCarver. Just saying....

Also, lets look at some interesting stats....

Wins Above Replacement, American League
Jose Bautista - 6.6
Ad. Gonzalez - 4.8
Jac. Ellsbury - 4.8

Ya see that. Jacoby Ellsbury. You could make a case that he is as "valuable" as Gonzalez. Pedroia sits with a 4.7, Youk with a 3.3. Gonzlaez has a lot of help, which doesn't make him as valuable.

Second best on the Jays. Yunel Escobar at 2.6. Hell Corey Patterson sits 4th on the leaderboard for the Jays. COREY PAtTERSON!!!!!!!!

[love_that_reefer]

Definitely make some good points. I am starting to lean towards Asdrubal now that I think more and more about it. Sort of the McCutchen of the AL.

[realmofotalk]

No one has made the argument that standings=MVP. I will say this though, no MVP should ever come from a last place team.

You just contradicted yourself when you said the MVP doesn't belong to a last place team after you claimed you're not guilty of using team standings to determine the MVP.

[love_that_reefer]

I did in one instance, sure. I wasn't guilty of it in any of the arguments I made that you tried to point out though. I also don't think a MVP or DH should win the MVP. That DH best hit .400+ with 60+ HRs and set a RBI record. So lets recap for mofo: a MVP should not come from a last place team and be an everyday player that plays both sides of the ball.

[realmofotalk]

Which is why I'm glad you don't have a vote. Having the best stats doesn't make you the most valuable.

LOL, your value as a player IS your stats.