Most Likely To Throw Perfect Game

[love_that_reefer]

Wait, the guy who's won more games than anyone over the last 2 seasons would be the Giants #3, with practically the same ERA as Cain in a much tougher league, and a better ERA than Lincecum who hasn't even pitched one full season?...wow, I would love to have somebody explain this logic to me. And why can't Wang get up there when he's come closer than probably anybody on that list to throwing a perfect game??

If Cain was on the Yankees, he could have 19 wins too. Plus Cain and Lincecum DO play in a tougher division than the Yankees. You can go by wins, I'll go by stuff. Lincecum and Cain have better stuff than Wang. Hell, all the pitchers I named have better stuff.

[browntown653]

Wang's won more games for the Yankees than anyone over the last 2 seasons?

Did he score the runs for them in those games?

There have been so many rep worthy comments lately I ran out a long time ago...mission you need to change the 24-hour rule

[browntown653]

If Cain was on the Yankees, he could have 19 wins too. Plus Cain and Lincecum DO play in a tougher division than the Yankees. You can go by wins, I'll go by stuff. Lincecum and Cain have better stuff than Wang. Hell, all the pitchers I named have better stuff.

I'm not going to debate that, but stuff does not translate into success...Kyle Farnsworth clearly has better stuff than Hideki Okajima, for example.

[love_that_reefer]

Wang's won more games for the Yankees than anyone over the last 2 seasons?

Did he score the runs for them in those games?

Yankees actually have an offense to supply runs.

[HollywoodLeo]

Yankees actually have an offense to supply runs.

[love_that_reefer]

I'm not going to debate that, but stuff does not translate into success...Kyle Farnsworth clearly has better stuff than Hideki Okajima, for example.

Farnsworth has better stuff? When did this shit happen? Just because he throws hard doesn't mean he has good stuff. Kyle has always been a thrower and never a pitcher.

[browntown653]

He does have great stuff, he just locates it poorly.

[rockin500]

He does have great stuff, he just locates it poorly.

eh, a 100 mph fastball isnt stuff. thats just heat. his fastball doesnt move much.

[browntown653]

Which is movement.

[love_that_reefer]

No Maddux's fastball=movement. 98 mph with no movement=moon shots. You will hard pressed to find anyone who thinks Farnsworth has ever had good stuff.

[HollywoodLeo]

Which is movement.

"movement" doesn't mean from the pitcher's hand to the catcher's glove.

"movement" means the ball not traveling a straight line in that path.

As LTR pointed out, Greg Maddux has movement in his fastball. Jake Peavy does as well.

When they throw a fastball it doesn't just go straight to the catcher's glove. It dances around a bit. (Jake's is kinda freaky sometimes.)

I don't really know about Farnsworth, cuz I've never really seen him pitch, but if he has a straight 100 mph fastball as stated in this thread that's not movement. That's just heat.

Judging by his success in the major league level, however, I'd guess the assessment that he had none is correct.

[love_that_reefer]

Listen, I'm not saying Wang is horrible. I just don't think think he is in the top tier of starting pitching. He's solid #2 guy like a Chris Young to a Jake Peavy or a Dan Haren to Brandon Webb.

[Porter]

As much as Halladay could complete the perfect game. Hes also a hangnail from the DL.

Wang has great movement on his pitches and could sink his was to a perfect game if he faces the O's.

David Cone threw a perfect game for the Yanks in his decline i believe.

I think we cant sleep on a couple of guys if they can stay healthy/get it together/get run support.

Ben Sheets
Matt Cain
Carlos Zambrano
If you include Wang, Silva when on has a punchers chance. then again. That wouldnt happen ever.
Ubaldo Jimenez.

[browntown653]

That's what I'm trying to say. Farnsworth throwing a 100 mph fastball is stuff. He does have stuff, but because his fastball is flat, it's not because of bad stuff, it's bad movement.

[love_that_reefer]

Good stuff means the total package. Hit your spots, mixing up pitches, and having just nasty movement on your pitches. Again, he is a thrower and not a pitcher. Randy Johnson in the beginning of his career was a thrower. He matured and became a pitcher.