Public or private negotiations?!?!?

[nick]

And then he got it just so he can proceed to pitch like shit in Chicago.

Hey, he's having a nice year for being in the AL and playing half his games in a launching pad. Only giving up 6 home runs on the year is pretty rad. And he still has an insalely slim shot of hitting 300 wins, if he can pitch till he's about 40 and win close to 20 a year.

[OrioleMagic]

I don't think any OOTP creator ever intended for extension negotiations to be public. MLB negotiations are not public! If in private negotiations a player like Dontrelle turns down 30 million and refuses to negotiate further... a GM will put him on the market. Any interested GM should do his homework and see that he is a pending FA and make that contract extension part of the negotiation. I don't see how cheating can occur. Yes, a GM could be sleezy and take advantage of another who never asks or realizes that Dontrelle is an asshole and may not sign for less than 33 million, but that is competition. OOTP is not socialist in nature! It is capitalist! It should be a free market and the GM who works that hardest and insures that the player extends, or works a deal contingent on the player extending... gets the reward/benefit. I was the NYM GM that was involved in the Willis and Harden trades in TPSL. It can be done with honor and discussion. I even think in one case, we got a trade passed where if the guy extended with me a 5.0 prospect of mine would be traded for a worthless player. If he did not, I kept my 5.0 prospect and got a 2 month rental for whatever spec/s were in the original deal. This was all talked out and agreed upon in a professional manner.

In all leagues over on my site, negotiations have always been private. The TC has insured that a new GM was not taken advantage of by giving up too much for a star who had refused to extend with another team. I have never understood why S3F does it this way other than for expediancy, but whether a commish reads the request off of PM or a post is no different amount of work!

Either way, the show will go on.

[nick]

Honestly, I think private negotiations in entirety is a cool idea. The only reason I've always done them on the main board in TPSL is because I basically took everything I knew from watching Mission run S3SL, and modified it over time to fit the league's style as it progressed. I probably wouldn't have had any idea how to run a league without having been in S3SL. At this point, it's safe to say S3SL and TPSL are two completely different leagues, both unique in their own right. But when I first started TPSL up it was very similar outline to S3SL by nature.

If there's a way to have my PM box expanded so it can hold more than 200PMs at a time, I would even consider making all negotiations private in TPSL for next season. I don't know how people would feel about that, as it might be a bit less... convienent. But it does make a whole lot of sense. Worst comes to worse, those who wouldn't want to do it through PM could always continue to post 'em on the board, if it was that inconvienent for them. Don't see how something like this could hurt. It's actually a pretty good idea. OM is right too, in that the game probably never meant extensions to be a public thing anyway.

[HollywoodLeo]

I prefer the convenience of public negotiations.

If I had to do it via PM and was given the response at a time when my attention is elsewhere, I might ignore the PM and then forget about it.

[nick]

That's kind of a lame duck excuse, Leo. What if someone posts their extensions at a time my attention is elsewhere? It's not that different. The only thing that could get annoying is the back and forth, but the only difference there is getting used to checking the inbox opposed to the thread...

I dunno. Not like I'm imposing this or anything, because I'm going to assume half the league would be too lazy and/or acustomed to pattern to bother getting used to it (don't take that as a shot, Leo... it's not meant to be at all), and it might result in less extensions due to that. And that would be regressive.

Really, it's the same reason a league any other format than 6.5 will never work on this site... too much to learn, too different, etc etc.. people here are creatures of pattern, or so it would seem. What works works I guess.

[Kingdom]

Doing it all via PMs is a good way for... NYGF to mysteriously sign a super star really cheaply, ala Jason Bay. ;=]

[NYgiantsfan5689]

OMG ZITO I DIDN'T DO THAT ON PURPOSE. i thought we put that behind us.

[HollywoodLeo]

That's kind of a lame duck excuse, Leo. What if someone posts their extensions at a time my attention is elsewhere? It's not that different. The only thing that could get annoying is the back and forth, but the only difference there is getting used to checking the inbox opposed to the thread...

I dunno. Not like I'm imposing this or anything, because I'm going to assume half the league would be too lazy and/or acustomed to pattern to bother getting used to it (don't take that as a shot, Leo... it's not meant to be at all), and it might result in less extensions due to that. And that would be regressive.

Really, it's the same reason a league any other format than 6.5 will never work on this site... too much to learn, too different, etc etc.. people here are creatures of pattern, or so it would seem. What works works I guess.

I was just posting why I prefer it.

I can remember to check a thread every so often. I forget about my PM inbox much the same I do my email inbox if nothing in it is new.

[NYgiantsfan5689]

It's also nice on a thread to be able to have all the history of that years' negotiations right in front of you. It's hard to keep all those PM's, and the quoting gets to be really messy and long in a long extenstions discussion via PM

[OrioleMagic]

The game won't allow the Commish to sign a player for less than he agrees to. The only way a contract can be altered is through editing and the transactions page would show the original contract. (Unless someone has learned something that I am not aware of...)

[Providence A's]

The game won't allow the Commish to sign a player for less than he agrees to. The only way a contract can be altered is through editing and the transactions page would show the original contract. (Unless someone has learned something that I am not aware of...)

edit ratings down, sign cheaply, edit ratings back up. it can be done.

[cjkalt]

Really, it's the same reason a league any other format than 6.5 will never work on this site... too much to learn, too different, etc etc.. people here are creatures of pattern, or so it would seem. What works works I guess.

I will respectfully disagree with this, I fully believe a league outside of 6.5 would work... the changes though would have to be big enough to make it worth while for people to adjust to the new format. For example I have OOTP X, and find it amazing even though its different than 6.5 in a lot of ways it also has a lot of great features.

I think that in this modern day with sites like mlbtraderumors.com, ESPN, Fox, most extension #'s are public before the deal is done. I really can't think of an extension involving any of the big 3 I pay regular attention too (Mets, Red Sox, Yanks) I didn't know the terms of the deal a good 24-48 hours before.

Now if we want to have a rule where you can do a franchise player in private and the rest public thats cool, but putting everything in PM is ridiculous and not realistic.

[OrioleMagic]

edit ratings down, sign cheaply, edit ratings back up. it can be done.

Wow! Someone had way too much time on there hands to figure that one out. Amazing!

[Providence A's]

it didn't take too much. ever notice how an older player's demands go way down if they get injured and lose talent? there are other factors as you know (loyalty, playing time, desire for a winner, current stats), but talent and ratings are a driving force. one could cripple a stud player's ratings/talent down, sign them to whatever, and then return their ratings/talent to glory.

[OrioleMagic]

I will respectfully disagree with this, I fully believe a league outside of 6.5 would work... the changes though would have to be big enough to make it worth while for people to adjust to the new format. For example I have OOTP X, and find it amazing even though its different than 6.5 in a lot of ways it also has a lot of great features.

I think that in this modern day with sites like mlbtraderumors.com, ESPN, Fox, most extension #'s are public before the deal is done. I really can't think of an extension involving any of the big 3 I pay regular attention too (Mets, Red Sox, Yanks) I didn't know the terms of the deal a good 24-48 hours before.

Now if we want to have a rule where you can do a franchise player in private and the rest public thats cool, but putting everything in PM is ridiculous and not realistic.

CJ, you are missing the fact that initial negotiations are very private. How far apart the player and the owner were initially, is never disclosed. Yes, you do hear that Tex wants to test the market, but he will listen to offers to extend with the Braves or the Angels...etc. Figures are not disclosed until they are agreed upon. Then you usually hear about them, pending a physical. PM is very realistic an not ridiculous at all. From the three teams that you listed, KRod was part of a WS run by the Angels. I didn't hear of any serious attempt to trade him. Here is an article dated in November of 08 AFTER the season was over!"The Mets are determined to fix their bullpen, but they shied away from Rodriguez after his agent told SI.com last month that the bidding would start at five years and $75 million. Kinzer has since backed away from those comments, and when he did Mets officials started telling people that they're back in on K-Rod.The Mets could be well-positioned to get him, too, because the other teams in need of a closer this winter (Tigers, Indians, Rays) are very unlikely to spend anything close to $15 million per year. The Mets could end up going that high, although not for the five years that Kinzer was originally demanding.Moreno said the Angels made six different offers to Rodriguez over the last year or so. It's believed that they went up to about $42 million for three years, and that Rodriguez told them that wasn't enough."http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/e...096/11664556On the other hand, Johan was traded for when Minnesota knew that they could not sign him for what he would claim on the FA market. Here is an article that lists 4 5.0 prospects in exchange, but the agreement was pending an extension with the Mets. Where in the below article does it publicize the negotiations offer by offer/counter??"They didn't beat the deadline, but they got the job done.Johan Santana and the Mets Friday agreed on the terms of a record-breaking contract that guarantees $137.5 million over six seasons and could be worth almost $151 million over seven. The deal, the biggest ever for a pitcher, clears the largest hurdle in putting the two-time Cy Young Award winner at the head of the Mets' rotation. In return for the extension, the 28-year-old Santana will waive the no-trade clause in his contract and allow the four-for-one deal between the Mets and Twins to go through. The Twins receive outfielder Carlos Gomez and righthanded pitchers Philip Humber, Kevin Mulvey and Deolis Guerra. All that remains is for the players to pass physicals. "Negotiations have been concluded and the player will take a physical (today)," the Mets said in a statement. After the Mets and Twins agreed on terms of a trade, the Mets were given a 72-hour window to come to terms on a contract extension with the lefthander. It took beyond that - Major League Baseball granted a two-hour extension - but the sides were able to strike a bargain. The Mets and Santana's agent, Peter Greenberg, were deadlocked about whether the seventh year would be guaranteed. The Mets got their wish of a club option for the seventh season by raising Santana's average annual salary to almost $23 million over the first six. Santana and Greenberg were counseled by the MLB Players Association to strive for the highest annual salary possible and Santana's is now second only to Alex Rodriguez of the Yankees."Mets, Johan Santana agree to record seven-year, $151 million contract,Again, negotiation by PM IS realistic!