Revised Point System

[Porter]

I cant support this change. I could see if for Tiebreakers but nothing more than that.

[albbla2000mu]

Well, I am in a points league right now. And from experience, a few things are destined to emerge.
1. The same guys keep writing articles, and then they argue about how many points their articles should be worth with the commish
2. Other owner's dont want to write articles so they give up...resulting in even less participation
3. The 'points' which people are alotted causes mass complaining b/c the same teams end up getting the benifits resulting in "super teams" which destroy everyone.
4. Those super teams get so good and so deep that new GM's dont want to join/or quit fast and the "average" teams give up b/c they dont want to write a ton of articles and wait 5 or more seasons to even have a chance to catch the so called 'active' teams

[DiamondDave]

I can see that happening... that is why I think that if something like this is to be added to "spice up" participation and the league, it has to be carefully weighed so that it would be incredibly difficult for the first place team to somehow move up greatly in the draft... I think the key is the buffer between places.... It could be nice to reward those that participate more, but not a HUGE reward.... I can see someone moving up 5 places or so in the draft because of a few articles and a lot of great posts.... I could not see this working if the best record teams can consistently get in the top 10 in the draft...

If not a buffer... then a side rule that has it so no person can move up more than 5 picks in the draft, and no person could move down more than 5 places in the draft....

I don't know if either suggestion is a good solution.... but I think that the checks and balances must be there, or it could destroy the league... because we all know that there are a few in the league that will attempt to abuse the system. It has been evident already

[CrazyEights]

I think this will work. We need to try something.

[albbla2000mu]

I'll deal with whatever way you go. I was just giving my observations. I always found that points based leagues turn ugly no matter the commish in charge. Im fairly active, as is Dave, Zito and others. So, were not saying these things to benifit ourselves. Because most of the guys posting would be same ones with the high picks and doing what was necessary to get the points. Its just when you start grading people for articles and what not your just opening up a new can of worms. Either way, dont go...you know we all want you as commish

[Slyder]

Well...I really thought that more of you would trust me to run this the right way. Do you guys really think that I would let anyone abuse the system? Since most of you refuse to support this system no matter how it is run....then I think you guys need to find a new commish that will run the league the way you want it run. I'm out!

Youre a great commish Crazy, thats why I took most of my thoughts to PMs and you calmed some of the reservations of it, with the proper restraints could be a very good idea. If we keep the expanded drafts with players from the past that should mean even if a team fell from 2nd to 6th that they arent SOL because there are so many great spects that they should still get someone in their top 3 list. Whatever you decide Crazy I will go with.

[DiamondDave]

Crazy

I think it is an interesting idea... and I do know that you would not want anyone to abuse the system... that is why I keep throwing scenarios and ideas out there... I am sure we can all work something out where we spice it up without screwing over teams and driving out good GM's....

Is it perfect? Nope... but neither is the system now for that matter.... Would I impliment this? Probably not... but I'm usually a purist.. would I quit over something like this? Hell no, it's just another challenge for me

[General]

How about using the points as some sort of compensation, like extra picks in the lower (2 and down) rounds? Better than altering the actual draft order.

[brak60]

I've not commented or weighed in on the debate simply because I still feel I'm too new to the league and the entire system to be able to add anything of any worth. In fact, when the idea of a vote was first proposed in this thread, I had only two thoughts: first, to give my vote by proxy to the Commish because I think he'll do what is right for the league or second, to abstain from the voting at all.
The idea as it has been presented is an interesting one. It does present an additional motive for someone like me, who does visit the forum several times a day but rarely posts, to post more often. However, I have to admit, I'm fairly apprehensive that my drafting position to replenish my system would be partially dependant on factors other than my moves as a GM. I'm not saying I'm opposed to it; merely that, as of now, I'm apprehensive of it. Perhaps it is just because I'm fearful of change, or perhaps even because I'm still trying to figure my way through the rules as they stand.
As I read Slyder's post from above, I do think that this is a system that works in conjunction with having the expanded draft pools from years past. It makes the draft deeper and allows those who may slip to still get an appropriate level draft pick. Those GMs who have a particular bee in their bonnet to pick a player from the past will have the extra motivation to do the extra work.
While I've typed these thoughts out, I keep coming back to the idea that, as a new GM, I'm willing to support the Commish on this - provided that Crazy is the commish. I understand those who have been in this league longer and have invested more time, effort, and obviously emotion may have a problem with the idea.
Thank you all for indulging me for my ramblings.

[DiamondDave]

brak

Never think that just because you are new, that you cannot add something of worth.... I think you expressed very well....

[CrazyEights]

brak

Never think that just because you are new, that you cannot add something of worth.... I think you expressed very well....

Exactly, and that is the whole purpose of this idea. I want every GM to feel comfortable joining in on the discussion. Right now we have a handfull of GMs that reguarly post, and others who are active with their teams, but for whatever reason they don't post very often if at all. A lot of OOTP leagues have a forum, but there isn't much focus on it or much of an attempt to get everybody involved in discussions. Unlike most forums, the SBSL is a forum based OOTP league. Without Strike3Forums, we wouldn't be here. One thing that I believe should be a goal of this league is to not only entertain current Strike3Forum members, but to also bring in new members that post in all of our forums. I feel that it is important that this league is a good contributer to the S3F community. There are many GMs like Brak that join S3F only because of our league. That is a good thing, because those members would not be here without this league. My goal is to give those new members every opportunity to become active posters. I know it must be intimidating for a new member to come here and see posters with thousands of posts in their post count. It shouldn't be, because everyone can contribute to our league and Strike3 as a whole. The more contributers, the better the league will be as a whole.

[perforatededge54]

That's like awarding Delmon Young to the team wtih the GM that has the most ettiquette. It's a ridiculous proposition.

[DiamondDave]

I don't think it will be that drastic... and I don't think anyone would stand for it if it was.... I think that there is room for some benefit for active users, without majorly screwing over others... whether that be a points buffer, or a limitation on spaces one can move within the draft, etc....

[CrazyEights]

That's like awarding Delmon Young to the team wtih the GM that has the most ettiquette. It's a ridiculous proposition.

If you were a GM in our league, then you would realize that there isn't a "Delmon Young" type player in the draft. We have strong drafts with many good players. Just ask Dave how he was able to draft Bobby Witt.

[Slyder]

If you were a GM in our league, then you would realize that there isn't a "Delmon Young" type player in the draft. We have strong drafts with many good players. Just ask Dave how he was able to draft Bobby Witt.

Or Roberto Alomar to General for the 24th pick (I think) this past draft. I think hes like a 4.0 spect.