Illegal Mexicans going to the immigration office

[ATLien]

I sing the praises of thug & child molestors? Since when? I can admire athletes & artists, without having to respect them as people. Point in case: I think Michael Jackson is a sick freak job, but Thriller is one of my favorite CD's of all time. I think Ray Lewis is one of the best LB's of my generation, but is a criminal not to be messed with. I think you get my point. I do not respect thug athletes & thug musicians BECAUSE they are thugs, and that is where your confusion lies.

Do you really think the guy pulled this shit because they were criminals? Of course not. I think calling illegal immigrants criminals is quite a stretch, too, but I wouldn't expect anything less from someone such as yourself. The man picked on the Mexicans because of their race/nationality, not because they were criminals, that much I can be sure of.

As for your comments regarding race being a non-factor, all I can do is roll my eyes at that.

[riverdunesrat]

I think calling illegal immigrants criminals is quite a stretch, too

[ATLien]

I say it in the same sense as saying calling potheads criminals is a stretch. Are they breaking the law? Sure, but it is such an insignificant crime that most people don't even really give a ****.

[riverdunesrat]

Are they breaking the law? Sure, but it is such an insignificant crime that most people don't even really give a ****.

Are you serious? Have you seen a major news broadcast lately? Insignificant no more my friend. Catch a view of the Lou Dobbs show on CNN. It comes on at 6pm Eastern. This show will open your eyes as to what is going on these days regarding illegal aliens and how it is no longer insignificant.

[ATLien]

Or, you could just tell me why you think the Immigration problem is so significant.

USA has bigger fish to fry than to hunt down all the Mexicans, IMO.

[Lynch]

I sing the praises of thug & child molestors? Since when? I can admire athletes & artists, without having to respect them as people. Point in case: I think Michael Jackson is a sick freak job, but Thriller is one of my favorite CD's of all time. I think Ray Lewis is one of the best LB's of my generation, but is a criminal not to be messed with. I think you get my point. I do not respect thug athletes & thug musicians BECAUSE they are thugs, and that is where your confusion lies.

Perhaps, but you have no problem with them being criminals. You have gotten pissed when people dis R. Kelly on the NFL board. Why? People have a multitude of reasons for disliking people. I for one don't have any time for child molestors or people that collect child porn (such as R. Kelly or Pete Townsend for example). You'll never see me spend one red cent of mine on either of their work ever again because of it. Same with Michael Jackson. I agree that Thriller is a hell of an album, but if my copy suddenly became unplayable, I'd never pay for another one, no matter how much I liked it. On the other hand, you support gang-banger thug rap artists because you enjoy what they put out. I have yet to see you rip anyone in the rap genre for lyrics promoting violence, drug use, or slappin around and degrading women. But you have a problem with a comedian who did a tasteless stunt in which no one was hurt. I just find that terribly hypocritical. If you don't see it, then you won't see it no matter how many times I repeat it.

I think calling illegal immigrants criminals is quite a stretch, too, but I wouldn't expect anything less from someone such as yourself. The man picked on the Mexicans because of their race/nationality, not because they were criminals, that much I can be sure of.

Well, if that's the case, then we can ALL be sure of this.... you are clueless and uneducated:

Check this (it's available everywhere and anywhere):

Under Title 8 Section 1325 of the U.S. Code, "Improper Entry by Alien," any citizen of any country other than the United States who:

• Enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers; or
• Eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers; or
• Attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact;

has committed a federal crime.

Violations are punishable by criminal fines and imprisonment for up to six months. Repeat offenses can bring up to two years in prison. Additional civil fines may be imposed at the discretion of immigration judges, but civil fines do not negate the criminal sanctions or nature of the offense.

So... whether you agree or disagree that being an illegal alien equates into being a criminal is irrelivant. They ARE INDEED criminals.

Kind of like your "I could give a shit" attitude about doing drugs. Just because you do them and dont' care if anyone else does does NOT mean you aren't breaking the law. The only majority of people that don't care about illegal drug use are the people participating in it. But carefree attitude about it or not really doesn't matter. The people doing it are still criminals.

As for your comments regarding race being a non-factor, all I can do is roll my eyes at that.

Roll away.. puff away.. whatever. Stay in the closet and in the dark. The video, has nothing to do with race. It's related to these people being CRIMINALS (even if it's done in a joking manner). Federal criminals.... not just the kind of criminal as someone who steals a candy bar from a grocery store.

The law is the law, whether you choose to admit it, accept it or abide by it. If you get stopped driving 45 in a 35 zone, do you tell the cop "well, that's a really silly law and I don't acknowledge it"?! If so, what's going to happen to you?

*sigh*

[Lynch]

Or, you could just tell me why you think the Immigration problem is so significant.

USA has bigger fish to fry than to hunt down all the Mexicans, IMO.

TO answer your question, why don't you just read this





And after you are done, wow about this .... tell us why you think it's NOT a major problem or why you seem to think it's insignificant?

[riverdunesrat]

You are wasting your time Lynch. He won't read it. He said, he wants us to just tell him why it is a problem. Maybe he is just arguing for the sake of arguing. If he doesn't want to become educated and informed, that is his choice. IMO, that just represents tunnel vision and I won't debate with someone who chooses not to become informed of an issue. Some people like staying in their little boxes and avoid alternative thinking and alternative views. Is that the case here?

[ATLien]

On the other hand, you support gang-banger thug rap artists because you enjoy what they put out.

Way to stereotype an entire genre. You don't like it when people stereotype Death Metal, yet you turn around and stereotype rap for shits & giggles. It is not hypocritical because you are comparing SONGS to REAL LIFE, it's a non comparison quite frankly.

What point does posting the law prove other than attempting to belittle my intelligence?

This man is not making fun of criminals, he is making fun of Mexicans. If you cannot see the racial implications in the video, then God help you.

tell us why you think it's NOT a major problem?

The US Govt. has much larger fish to catch than to go on a witch hunt to lasso all the Latinos in this country. I don't know if you have noticed but the USA is pretty ****ed up right now, and I am fairly confident the Mexicans are not to blame.

Riversdune, you aren't worth my time. At least Lynch is up for a debate.

[awefullspellare]

I belive the guy does say "Beaners" so that is pretty expensive I believe. I don't have a problem with him taking them there.

[Lynch]

Way to stereotype an entire genre. You don't like it when people stereotype Death Metal, yet you turn around and stereotype rap for shits & giggles.

hahaha.. "death metal". Hate to tell you but I really dig myself some pretty hard rock, but death metal is beyond my call. Decent heavy tunes that are tainted by messed up lyrics and horrible vocals. And even if I did like whatever genre you want to insert into that sentance, I have never said squat about anyone stereotyping anything that I listen to. ANYWHERE. People have differring opinoins on music. I could give two turds if they slam stuff that I like. Won't change what I like one bit.

It is not hypocritical because you are comparing SONGS to REAL LIFE, it's a non comparison quite frankly.

Ok, so here we go again. A guy does something that is completely harmless and that's bad. Right? (we're going with your opinion here)

A fairly large portion of the more well known rappers out there are punk assholes who belittle just about everyone around them, promote violence and drug use in their music. But it's just music. Just because they sing about it, doesn't mean that's what they believe.

Is that what you are saying? So it's OK to promote it through words, yet this guy is just an absolutely horrible human being because of what he did!?

I'm sorry man. I really don't understand that mentality. I'm trying. I really am. But that just spews and smells of B.S.

What point does posting the law prove other than attempting to belittle my intelligence?

THe point is... READ IT! You say "I think calling illegal immigrants criminals is quite a stretch". I very simply pointed out that the law proves that your opinion is just silly and just that, an opinion. It's not a stretch. It's a FACT! Posting the law backs up my claim that it's a fact. If you can prove me, my claim, and the written law to be incorrect, by all means, please do so. I'd love to see it.

This man is not making fun of criminals, he is making fun of Mexicans.

Ok... let's just say that you are blinded by something. I'll even compromise here a little and I'll call them MEXICAN CRIMINALS (since they are both criminals AND mexican... fair enough?) Either way, they are still illegal immigrants. The law posted above PROVES that they are criminals. If you can't see that.. then God help YOU... not me!

All that I'm doing is posting facts when it comes to this mexican/criminal/mexican/victim or whatever term you'd like to use. You are posting opinions. I don't know what you want but if you are looking for me to say, "you know what, you might be right", it's not going to happen. Not on this one.

[Lynch]

One more thing Atl..... I understand your view. I completely disagree with it because you are wrong in part of it. The place where you are wrong is in saying you don't think illegal aliens are criminals. The law clearly states the definition and in the video link in the original post.... their running off as if King Kong or Godzilla was about to step on them proves this very thing. I won't argue about the nature of the "comedy". Some people find it funny, other's don't. That is a matter of opinion and no one is right or wrong on that.



You brought up the comment about the US having bigger fish to fry than trying to keep latinos out of the country. I don't think it's just latinos that are a problem man. It's illegal immigrants from all over the world that are a problem. Please, click the link (if you haven't already) and read beyond the law posted at the top. This isnt' even a long read. But it does touch on a number of the problems that our country faces on a daily and yearly basis due to the insane number of illegal aliens we do have in this country. If you can't understand why it's a problem after reading that (and I could have found more more indepth links), then I don't know what to tell you.

[General]

Eh, well I disagree with both Lynch AND ATLien, somehow. They are criminals, yes, and they should be prosecuted and sent back to Mexico and whatnot. However, what he did was just for shits and giggles, as ATL nicely put it. He didn't do it to right a wrong; he did it to piss them off and laugh at their expense and IMO, that's being a ******.

[ATLien]

Jaywalkers are also criminals. Maybe we should prosecute them, too.

[ATLien]

Link

A new study by a liberal Washington think tank puts the cost of forcibly removing most of the nation's estimated 10 million illegal immigrants at $41 billion a year, a sum that exceeds the annual budget of the Department of Homeland Security.