Discussion about Tanking

[missionhockey21]

As sometimes it may be somewhat unintentional, I really struggle to find the words to make a rule that fits.

That said, if someone suspects another team of tanking, they need to let me know. If I think there is merit to the claim, I will take it to the TC and we'll talk about it. If there is general agreement, I will contact the GM and give them a sim to cleanup their team or else I will have to help them with some callups.

A few notes, from the top of my head, if they have talent in the form of MLB ready prospects but they choose not to call them up, that is fine. Even I wait with some of my guys to ensure I call them up for maximum usage considering their arbitration years. Anyone can tank the last sim, last two weeks, of the season. Some MLB teams already do this (like the last day of school, who gives a ****.)

[DiamondDave]

As sometimes it may be somewhat unintentional, I really struggle to find the words to make a rule that fits.

That said, if someone suspects another team of tanking, they need to let me know. If I think there is merit to the claim, I will take it to the TC and we'll talk about it. If there is general agreement, I will contact the GM and give them a sim to cleanup their team or else I will have to help them with some callups.

A few notes, from the top of my head, if they have talent in the form of MLB ready prospects but they choose not to call them up, that is fine. Even I wait with some of my guys to ensure I call them up for maximum usage considering their arbitration years. Anyone can tank the last sim, last two weeks, of the season. Some MLB teams already do this (like the last day of school, who gives a ****.)

I don't think forcing someone to callup up a 19-24 year old spect is what is being asked for.... or asking them to spend more money in FA... but at least an effort to field the best team they can...

Maybe I'll try and think up some wording over a few beers this weekend

[Kingdom]

Something like the Mendez thing, I do agree with, don't let the 26+ talent that is ML ready, sit and rot for an obvious tank. And if they proceed to suck, then.. well it fits in to your ultimate goal of tanking. Like I mentioned before, we are so used to the tanking in this league being in the form of unintentional or intentional neglect, when the GM is fielding a 12 man team- as opposed to someone fielding 10 catchers, 6 ptichers, and single A prospects.

I know if we were to discuss this on the TC, I am going to be against it. I never really liked it when we have incomplete teams and wished they were just autoed until the person returned or mission replaced them. I'd rather you truly suck because you have no talent and what not and get the #1, as opposed to getting the #1 with your single and double A teams.

Slyder went through a period of time where his team legitimately sucked, he did not tank, his team just blew. And it did take him awhile to get to the point where he's at now.

[missionhockey21]

No I agree. I am just trying to cover future situations (like I said, if a rule was in place, it could be tricky down the road.) Whether we are leading the division or last in the pack, we all need to try to be competitive. Even if you are playing scrubs, play scrubs with potential.

[Porter]

Which was the reason why I signed a ton a guys off the scrap heap or my team would be as bad or worse than Detroit's roster because I literally would have only 5 ML capable pitchers.

[OrioleMagic]

How about something like this:

If a player is 26 years old or older and fully developed, he must be played at the highest level with an open roster spot available. In other words, you must play your highest rated, fully developed, players that are over 26 at the MLB level!

[HollywoodLeo]

How about something like this:

If a player is 26 years old or older and fully developed, he must be played at the highest level with an open roster spot available. In other words, you must play your highest rated, fully developed, players that are over 26 at the MLB level!

I don't think we should make a hard-fast rule. If I don't think that fully developed 26 yr old gives my team the best chance to win I should not be forced to use him.

It should simply be a judgment call that if it's an obvious tank job the commish or someone should step in and do something about it.

[OrioleMagic]

I don't think we should make a hard-fast rule. If I don't think that fully developed 26 yr old gives my team the best chance to win I should not be forced to use him.

It should simply be a judgment call that if it's an obvious tank job the commish or someone should step in and do something about it.

The only case where a fully developed 26+ year old does NOT give your team the best chance to win is when a better player gives your team a chance to win. That said, my point is still valid. It sets a minimal threshold for MLB roster spots. You don't have to play that baseline MLB player that I am describing if you have someone better. The purpose of the language is to keep GMs from doing what Brewerball is doing and no more than that.

[HollywoodLeo]

You're probably right for most cases but I just think it would be bad policy to force a GM to use a player if he doesn't want to use him. What if that 26 yr old is fully developed at 7-9-8-9-8 but the GM has a vet at 9-5-7-7-7 that he wants to start because he values contact more than gap, Avoid-K, and Discipline?

I think a simple "No obvious tanking allowed" with the provision " 'obvious tank jobs' are determined by the trade counsel" can accomplish the same goal of preventing GMs from doing what Brewerball is doing without forcing legit GMs to use a player they may not want to use.

[Kingdom]

There's also strategy to the occasional leave the developed/ready guy in AAA. Teams that win and win and win yet have a small market and don't make much money on a year to year basis are wise to keep that guy in the oven. For example, let's say that 9-5-7-7-7 guy has a contract expiring soon... it makes sense for the GM to keep his replacement in the minors until that player is traded or leaves for free agency, it also will prolong the arbritration for that player.

I don't think we need specific rules like that, just the hand of Missionhockey saying no more craptacular tanking by anyone.

[Kingdom]

And it should be something every commish applies, tanking is bad for any league.

[Saber]

I think Mission's stamp will end such chicanery, but if it doesn't the answer is clear.

Loss of the next season's 1st round pick.

[OrioleMagic]

I see your points. Agreed.

[Providence A's]

And it should be something every commish applies, tanking is bad for any league.

I autoed or made promotions/demotions for teams that didn't send stuff for a while when they needed it.

[Kingdom]

It's official, Mission is the closest thing to a God around here.