Look I want Barry to retire and go away but you seem to think that he is something different than many players in the past, many who are in the Hall. Pitchers who threw the spit ball cheated. Players wh took Amphetamines in the 50's. 60's 70's etc cheated. If we threw out all cheaters from the Hall and the game there would be very few players left.Originally Posted by websoulsurfer