Chargers thread

[FmrFresnan]

Yah.....not likely......AJ has been the guy that brought in a truckload of Probowl players......he's not going anywhere when the team is 14-2 and he's been flawless to that point. Marty failed to get to the next level more than once with this team......he was the fall guy, and the obvious fallguy if there had to be one

Let me put this question out there....which would you rather have, a coach that fails in the postseason or a coach that may not even get the team that far? It's just a question, I'm not insinuating anything else.

[realmofotalk]

I would love to see Ron Rivera given the head coaching job, I think he did a great job as the D-Coordinator in Chicago.

Indeed Rivera coordinated a great defense, but all I can say is that people in Chicago lost a lot of respect for Ron Rivera when he allowed Steve Smith to manhandle the Bears' defense all by himself in the playoff game two years ago.

[padrefanforever]

Let me put this question out there....which would you rather have, a coach that fails in the postseason or a coach that may not even get the team that far? It's just a question, I'm not insinuating anything else.

I'd rather the coach and GM step away from eachother following a 14-2 season and build from there instead of bringing wrecking balls to the conversations causing things to spiral out of control........

[HollywoodLeo]

Let me put this question out there....which would you rather have, a coach that fails in the postseason or a coach that may not even get the team that far? It's just a question, I'm not insinuating anything else.

Do we have to choose between those two?

I mean, it's not as though Marty and Norv were the only two options available.

[FmrFresnan]

Indeed Rivera coordinated a great defense, but all I can say is that people in Chicago lost a lot of respect for Ron Rivera when he allowed Steve Smith to manhandle the Bears' defense all by himself in the playoff game two years ago.

Not from the people in Chicago I've talked to and I'm there every single year at the end of January. The Bears fans I've talked to hated the Bears' offense. The defense was the only good thing about the Bears' run to the Big Game last year. When your offense continues to go 3 and out every time out and gives your defense zero time to recover on the sidelines, they're going to get tired.

[FmrFresnan]

Do we have to choose between those two?

I mean, it's not as though Marty and Norv were the only two options available.

No, you don't have to choose between the 2, but that's what the Chargers got. It was a good point that was made on Too Much Show and one I hadn't thought of before. Let's not forget, it wasn't Marty's fault that the team imploded against New England, the stupid personal foul penalties on defense that cost them the game, not Marty.

[HollywoodLeo]

Marty still needlessly went for it on 4th and 11 just to "prove" that he's not "conservative" and then cost us the team a time out by challenging the interception.

That aside, I do agree that he's pretty low on the totem pole for who to point fingers at for that game.

I think the whole playoff thing with him is a bit overblown.

[FmrFresnan]

It's absolutely overblown, no question about it. I remember listening to fans after that game calling for Marty's head because he couldn't "get them to the big game", yet they hired a guy in Norv Turner who may not even get them to playoffs. I guess you reep what you sew right?

I think Ron Rivera absolutely deserved a shot at that HC position, Turner has had his shot, more than once, and has failed EVERY TIME.

[HollywoodLeo]

Norv will probably get them to the playoffs, but that has more to do with the rest of the division sucking as well than it does his coaching ability.

[FmrFresnan]

I was honestly shocked when I heard who they chose. Out of curiousity, if someone has this stat, how many times has Norv taken a team to the playoffs and how many games has he won? Do you know where to find that?

[HollywoodLeo]

He's been there once, with the Redskins in 1999

Norv Turner coaching record - pro-football-reference.com

beat the Lions, lost to the Buccaneers.

[FmrFresnan]

Nevermind, found it....

Year Team Record Playoffs
1994 WAS 3-13 None
1995 WAS 6-10 None
1996 WAS 9-7 None
1997 WAS 8-7-1 None
1998 WAS 6-10 None
1999 WAS 10-6 1-1
2000 WAS 7-6 None
2004 OAK 5-11 None
2005 OAK 4-12 None

He's had more 10+ loss seasons
then winning seasons. How sad.

[HollywoodLeo]

I found it faster

To his credit (as if he deserves any) I doubt anyone could've won with those Raiders teams.

But his record is pretty bad even without those two seasons.

[realmofotalk]

Of course, the Norv apologists *coughBoltmancough* said Randy Moss and Warren Sapp was the problem in Oakland.

[FmrFresnan]

I found it faster

To his credit (as if he deserves any) I doubt anyone could've won with those Raiders teams.

But his record is pretty bad even without those two seasons.

I had the same thought Leo, the Washington and Oakland teams weren't that good to begin with, but you would think with the talent he enherited in San Diego that he would be able to wipe his reputation clean.