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San Francisco GiantsI can agree with this.Originally Posted by OBBoltsFan
Your post just came off like it'd be ludacrious to even consider him.
I can agree with this.
Your post just came off like it'd be ludacrious to even consider him.
League Team years Record Wild Card Division Pennants Titles MSL San Diego Padres 2034-2059 2,217-1,995 1 6 3 1 TBL Arizona Diamondbacks 2005-2018 1,216-1,053 1 9 6 3 TSSL San Diego Padres 2015-2021, 2024-2028 1,017-928 0 7 3 2 TSSL Texas Rangers 2029-2033 396-414 0 0 0 0
It was close, but yes, I believe Hoffman deserved it that year. At that point, no closer had ever posted a season as spectacular as Hoffman's 98, and while Glavine had agreat year, it was not ground breaking for a starter to post those type of numbers at the time. Glavine had something like a 2.5 era and wins, but Hoffman had below a 1.5 ERA and onverted 55 of 57 saves I think it was, which at the time I believe was a new record for closers (on top of averaging way over a K an inning and having a league adjusted ERA of a ridiculous number somewhere around 300).
He had 53 saves which is nice but c'mon dude. Glavine had 20 wins and a 2.47 ERA and 230IP. Maddux had a better ERA than that and 18 wins and finished third in the voting. The only time a reliever should win is if there is no clear cut winner.
I never said that it was a lifetime award, but when you consider who votes on this and the year Hoffman had, he should have won it. It does not matter what kind of team you are on, if it did, we would have dominated the Cy Young for the last couple of years at least, we have had the best pitching, just no run support and an occasional defensive break down, especially when KT trades our third baseman away against our coaches wishes.
Hoffman had the most saves in our league, that alone should have gotten him major consideration, the fact that he ALSO got the all time saves lead should have iced it for him.
The CY Young is now a joke and you can forget any Pad getting it, barring a miraculous performance from Peavy, because our team is not that popular. The judging is either fare or it isn’t and this isn’t, 16 wins should not have beat out 46 saves, the two just do not add up, Trevor got us to the post season, Webb got them to a early vacation, last I check that was not the name of the game.
John B.
John B.
It for the best overall pitcher, not most valuable pitcher. This isn't the MVP. Some baseball people didn't even consider Hoffman as the best closer in '06. I disagree but some did. Hoffman did lead the league in saves and DID get major consideration. Not every pitcher was on the same ballot which says how difficult it was this year. To say it is a joke just because a Padre didn't get it is downright stupid.
Carpenter and Hoffman each receive a $50,000 bonus for finishing high in the voting.
He came in second and that is pretty damn good for any reliever. 16 wins is pretty embarrassing for a Cy Young winner, but then there just werent many good pitchers this year. Everyone in the NL was mediocre. Hoffy doesnt blow that save in the All Star game and he may have actually won the Cy Young.
BTW, Yahoo is back.
The Cy Young is NOT the MVP award. It is for the pitcher that did the best job, not that was most valuable to his team.
Hoffman had a great year and if not for short bad stretch after the All Star game he would have probably won the Cy Young in this mediocre pitching year.
Hey Web, thx for stopping by, I just check out Yahoo and it is still the BS I left, I did not mean they took the boards down, the just revamped them in away I totally dislike.
John B.
John B.
Actually IMO the CY is the MVP for pitchers, since it's the top award available for them......and it always has been....it doesn't always go to the guy that had the single best year, and often goes to the guy that had the best year on a playoff team....so long as his stats are at the top of the pile....
Much like the MVP rarely going to the Most Valuable Player, instead it goes to the player that had the best offensive year, providing his team was in the hunt or made the playoffs.......
Well you are entitled to your opinion but that's why writers vote on it. It doesn't always go to a pitcher on a playoff team and most of the time it goes to the right guy with some excepts(Bartolo Colon is a recent example). It just so happens that really good pitchers go to the playoffs. As for a MVP being based on going to the playoffs, they go hand in hand.
the award is supposed to go to the best pitcher in the league, not the most valuable
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cy_Young_Award
and how do you determine best pitcher? You can't say he has to be a starter, because closers have won it before and when you look at their wins, you see why this is so sick. 1977 AL CY Lyle w/ 26 sv's, against 3 tied with 20 wins. 1984 AL CY Hernandez w/ 32 sv's, against Boddicker with 20 wins. 1987 NL CY Bedrosian w/ 40 sv's, against Sutcliffe with 18 wins. 1989 NL CY Davis w/ 44 sv's, against Scott with 20 wins. 2003 NL CY Gagne w/ 55 sv's, against Ortiz with 21 wins and you think giving it to Webb with his 16 wins (not to mention there were 6 tied, including him, with this record, talking about a diluted pool that should have pulled votes every which way) is justifiable? I don't, this is a popularity contest at best now and beauty contest at worst. It obviously has nothing to do with what you do on the field or a guy who just 16 wins and a 3.10 era would not be walking away with it, that is simply a lousy year for pitching.
John B.
P.S. You can say major consideration until hell freezes over, it still does not get Trevor the CY, hence does not change the end of the equation, the press has reduced this to a beauty contest, not an on field competition for players to compete for. You have 6 players tied with 16 wins and the best of them have a ERA of 3.10 against a guy who comes in during the make it or break it time of the game, and that is the only time he enters the game, and he produced 46 saves, there should have been no debate this time, he should have won it hands down. There was no Glavine with 20 wins to compete with him {and Glavine was the only pitcher in the NL with 20 wins that year, there was no dilution} this year, it should have been his hands down, there is no justification for it not being so.
John B.
LOL you were the one that brought up major consideration bub, not me. And its absolutely laughable that you think Brandon Webb is more popular than Hoffamn! Webb had the league lead in ERA going into the last day where he fianlly blew up thanks to your Pads. Wins aren't everything esecially when you look at your "great" example of Russ Ortiz. He had the IP, ERA, SHO, and CG's and was the most consistant pitcher. Gagne won over Schmidt by the way. And like I said some writers didn't even think Hoffman was the best closer.
Roger Clemens should have gotten the CY.....he didn't......it doesn't always go to the 'right guy' ....... it often goes to the popular guy.....just like the MVP
Over Carpenter? LOL And Johnson should have got it over Clemens the year before then. Carpenter deserved it as did Johnson. Writers look at all the stats, not just the ones that benefit the "popular" ones.
Why are you arguing pointless shit anyway ?
MVP is a joke
CY isn't much better, but at least it's a little less tainted than the MVP these days...
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