Quite a possiblity.

[HollywoodLeo]

What you consider a "reality" is only what us fans allow to be a reality. I won't stand for it; I'm sorry you will.

What do you propose we do?

Stand outside the staidums with our fists raised in the air?

I'm an easy going guy and generally the only situations I think are worth getting worked up over are those you can actually do something about.

[Rufio181]

What do you propose we do?

Stand outside the staidums with our fists raised in the air?

I'm an easy going guy and generally the only situations I think are worth getting worked up over are those you can actually do something about.

Russian style!







with the music of

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=http:...?v=2pg746UO-XQ

[OBBoltsFan]

What do you propose we do?

Stand outside the staidums with our fists raised in the air?

It would be a great start. I simply have stopped going to Padre games and have emailed the organization informing them that I will not go until Moores gives me a reason to go. If every single one of us did that for every single team with a similar owner, yes, things would change.

[HollywoodLeo]

It would be a great start. I simply have stopped going to Padre games and have emailed the organization informing them that I will not go until Moores gives me a reason to go. If every single one of us did that for every single team with a similar owner, yes, things would change.

or they'd just move to another city where they appreciate comptetive baseball year in and year out.

[OBBoltsFan]

or they'd just move to another city where they appreciate comptetive baseball year in and year out.

It makes me sad that you look for reasons to convince yourself to be OK with baseball owners not being passionate over their team.

[HollywoodLeo]

It makes me sad that you look for reasons to convince yourself to be OK with baseball owners not being passionate over their team.

I don't need to look for answers when they stare me directly in the face.

I'd rather have a team with a less than passionate owner than no team at all.

It's a simple fact of life as I somehow doubt the masses are going to stand up in unison in some kind of crazy rebellion against the Nazis that own the major league teams in the MLB demanding that their owners be fans first, business men 2nd.

[OBBoltsFan]

I don't need to look for answers when they stare me directly in the face.

I'd rather have a team with a less than passionate owner than no team at all.

It's a simple fact of life as I somehow doubt the masses are going to stand up in unison in some kind of crazy rebellion against the Nazis that own the major league teams in the MLB demanding that their owners be fans first, business men 2nd.

We live in the fifth largest city in the US; we will have a baseball team whether it's the Padres or not. I'd prefer Moore leaving with this team and waiting a year for a new one than being contempt with an owner that will admittingly not try his hardest to produce a winning ballclub.

You can doubt all you want just as I will continue to not support it all I want. The fact is if everyone in San Diego was serious about this, if everyone who supports teams with lackluster owners followed my suit, the league would be a lot more enjoyable to watch. I'll just have to wait until I become a billionaire I guess.

[HollywoodLeo]

We live in the fifth largest city in the US; we will have a baseball team whether it's the Padres or not

is that why it took till 1969 for a team to come to San Diego? Is that why that same team almost left in 1994?
Don't make the common mistake of confusing population size with market size.
(and, for the sake of nit picking, San Diego is the 6th largest city in the US.)

I'd prefer Moore leaving with this team and waiting a year for a new one than being contempt with an owner that will admittingly not try his hardest to produce a winning ballclub.

So you prefer honesty over commitment?
It seems to me Moores was being bluntly honest when he ponited out, plain and simple, that KT was already at the budget limit and you raked him over the coals.

Oh, and if the Padres were to leave it'd be well more than a year before San Diego gets another team......IF San Diego gets another team.
(I'm still waiting for our new NBA franchise.)

The fact is if everyone in San Diego was serious about this, if everyone who supports teams with lackluster owners followed my suit, the league would be a lot more enjoyable to watch.

No. The fact is if everyone in San Diego followed your riddiculous idea and boycotted the Padres in such an ill advised protest the Padres would pack their bags up and head off to a city where they appreciate having a major league baseball team.
And, no matter how much you'd like to convince yourself otherwise, San Diego would not be in the running for a new team anytime in the near future.

[padrefanforever]

SD was around $69 million before the season started.

69 in active payroll......another 7 I think Sandy said in contracts still being paid down for guys nolonger with us.....guys like Bubba Trammel or something stupid like that

[padrefanforever]

It makes me sad that you look for reasons to convince yourself to be OK with baseball owners not being passionate over their team.

What's even more sad is someone who convinces themselves that if fans riot and don't support the team that the city does have, that it will for some reason remain in the city that doesn't support it. This isn't very bright....see the Clippers if you need a San Diego reference

...and if you think it will only be a year before San Diego gets another team should the Padres leave......how long has it taken LA to get another football team ?

If the Padres leave or the Chargers for that matter.......we wont get another team for 2 decades at least.......if ever again........this is reality.....you should start digesting some of it

[padrefanforever]

Further......If you're not going to games anyone.......that's like not voting at the polls and then *****ing about who the president is......if you're not financially supporting the team, which by the way is the single biggest way for us to create revenue in our town, then you have no reason to ***** and moan....

Go buy season tickets.......sell them off afterwards if you must, but support the team and help them to build the funds needed to spend the way you think they should....

Our market size is 8th I believe Alderson said.........even though out city size is 6th........and once the terrible Cox TV contract goes away and TV contracts are renegotiated, we should be bumping payroll once again........but if people like you aren't going to attend games, or at least buy tickets even if only to resell them, then where do you expect this endless supply of money to come from ?

I think this level of hatred and anger towards a guy that basically saved baseball in San Diego is 150% unwarrented, and completely off base, and lacking any real grounds from which to stand.

[OBBoltsFan]

No. The fact is if everyone in San Diego followed your riddiculous idea and boycotted the Padres in such an ill advised protest the Padres would pack their bags up and head off to a city where they appreciate having a major league baseball team.
And, no matter how much you'd like to convince yourself otherwise, San Diego would not be in the running for a new team anytime in the near future.

There's absolutely nothing ridiculous about expecting the best from something you put your money into it, and if the Padres did move, we'd have a team in no time. Every owner in football is throwing around 100 million a season, and it is because they all agreed on the salary cap. It goes just as the saying would: if you don;t have enough money to own a team and not worry about it financially, you're in not position to own a team. Unfortunately this no longer applies.

[OBBoltsFan]

If the Padres leave or the Chargers for that matter.......we wont get another team for 2 decades at least.......if ever again........this is reality.....you should start digesting some of it

Statements like these are beginning to get ridiculous, so I'll let it go. T

To close, in all honesty, baseball is buisness, just as you both claim. In that very buisness, it is ran by us, the fans, and we make it as conevenient and inconvenient as it can be. If we wanted a change bad enough, a change would come. I know this. I know the weights of benefits to withdrawels in moving an organization from the 6th largest city in the world, on top of being the most beautiful and in a new stadium. If we wanted change, we would have change, but apparently this city doesn;t care whether or not Moores has a burning desire to win. I will continue to care, and will continue to send letters explaining my extreme displeasures with this buisness.

[padrefanforever]

I've been a season tix holder for almost a decade...... So I think I care more than you do about this team......That is unless you've had season tixs longer than I, in which case I'd have to default to you on this ? Suggesting that you care more than someone else because you're throwing a hissy fit is nothing more than spitting in the wind and throwing a tantrum.... it's very grade school.

I also have sent letters, emails, and I've actually been in front of some of the FO, spoken with them in semi-private conversations at more than just the roundtable discussions, some are direct clients of mine, including John Moores San Diego Padres as well as a few of his other endeavors. If you think you are the only one in here who cares, not only are you dead wrong, you are way off base, and out of touch with reality, and should get a grip.

It's one thing to stand on your soapbox and preach what you believe, it's quite another to think your way is the only way, and that everyone else is wrong if they don't follow you off a cliff. I will continue to support my home teams by buying tickets, which gives me the right to complain about what I'm paying to see...... Unless you buy a ticket, you're not paying for anything, so quite whining about how much they spend, when you're not willing to spend at all

[padrefanforever]

Statements like these are beginning to get ridiculous, so I'll let it go. T.

As for you thinking that San Diego would be quick to get team should be allow the ones we have to leave being "rediculous" ...... Man I don't know what planet you're on, but we're not getting another team if the Padres or Chargers leave, which is why the fight to keep them has been so nasty...We're even trying to stick the Chargers in National City in order to keep them......why......because if they leave, we're not getting another team.......that's why....

I like the dream world you appear to be living in where teams are just dying to come to San Diego, but in the real world, that's just about as far from the truth as you can get...... this is a fickle market, and always has been....we're a melting pot, military, border town that happens to have some pretty great things to do besides attend pro games....This is why we lost the Clippers, Soccers and most recently the Gulls....