Quite a possiblity.

[HollywoodLeo]

6th largest city in the world,

Why should we care about sports organizations in Sahnghai, China?

[padrefanforever]

We were listed as the 8th largest in the US by a cencus in 2005
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0763098.html

[padrefanforever]

We rank 17th in payroll, which is almost dead middle of MLB, and exactly the range of a mid-market team

[padrefanforever]

Are the teams under us.....

18 Texas Rangers $68,228,662
19 Minnesota Twins $63,396,006
20 Washington Nationals $63,143,000
21 Oakland Athletics $62,243,079
22 Cincinnati Reds $60,909,519
23 Arizona Diamondbacks $59,684,226
24 Milwaukee Brewers $57,568,333
25 Cleveland Indians $56,031,500
26 Kansas City Royals $47,294,000
27 Pittsburgh Pirates $46,717,750
28 Colorado Rockies $41,233,000
29 Tampa Bay Devil Rays $35,417,967
30 Florida Marlins $14,998,500

[padrefanforever]

Why should we care about sports organizations in Sahnghai, China?

Hollywood......did he say we're the 6th largest city in the world ? Do we even break the top 20 in the world ?

[HollywoodLeo]

Hollywood......did he say we're the 6th largest city in the world ? Do we even break the top 20 in the world ?

I'm sure he just brainfarted and meant to say US (like he did previously) I just couldn't resist the crack on his mistake.

You made a good enough rebuttle to his post that I didn't feel the need to add any legit 2 cents of mine.

I'm not sure how accurate the list I looked up is, it was a top 100 in the world and San Francisco was at 53 or so, behind only NYC, Chicago, LA, and Philadelphia, as far as US cities go. So it seemed kind of fishy to me since San Francisco isn't even the third biggest city in California, let alone the US. (San Diego wasn't even on the list.)

It said at the bottom that it took into account surrounding areas outside of the city limits, so I figured it combined San Francisco with San Jose and Oakland...but even then it doesn't make sense.

Maybe they even included Fresno and Kings County.

[HollywoodLeo]

Ok, I found a better, more up to date list.

And, ironically enough, Shanghai is the most populous city in the world now.

My crack would've been more accurate had I asked why we should care about a sports team in Manila, Philipines.

San Diego ranks #227 in world population.

http://www.world-gazetteer.com/wg.ph...ohdq&pt=c&va=x

edit:

That same site has a 2006 census which has us back at #7, ahead of San Antonio again.
Phoenix has also moved ahead of Philadelphia, now ranking at #5 (philly = 6)

[OBBoltsFan]

I've been a season tix holder for almost a decade...... So I think I care more than you do about this team......That is unless you've had season tixs longer than I, in which case I'd have to default to you on this ? Suggesting that you care more than someone else because you're throwing a hissy fit is nothing more than spitting in the wind and throwing a tantrum.... it's very grade school.

I also have sent letters, emails, and I've actually been in front of some of the FO, spoken with them in semi-private conversations at more than just the roundtable discussions, some are direct clients of mine, including John Moores San Diego Padres as well as a few of his other endeavors. If you think you are the only one in here who cares, not only are you dead wrong, you are way off base, and out of touch with reality, and should get a grip.

It's one thing to stand on your soapbox and preach what you believe, it's quite another to think your way is the only way, and that everyone else is wrong if they don't follow you off a cliff. I will continue to support my home teams by buying tickets, which gives me the right to complain about what I'm paying to see...... Unless you buy a ticket, you're not paying for anything, so quite whining about how much they spend, when you're not willing to spend at all

You care about this team more than I do because you can afford season tickets? Congratulations. It's funny that I never mentioned anything even closely resembling a direct comparison between my feelings for the Padres and anyone else's feelings for the Padres. My feelings earlier explained were clearly describing that of ownership, a far stretch from the team itself. It's extremely ironic that you are the only one who's ever claimed about caring more for the TEAM than anyone, and then go on to call comparisons between fan's feelings for the team very "grade school" in the very next line. If you can;t understand the difference between ownership and team, I don't see how you can claim my actions are "grade school".

I never said my way is the only way. In fact, I never stated anythiing as being the only way, and that is my exact point: there are many different ways to espress how you feel about ownership in baseball. I am not pleased with teams having such drastically lower payrolls than others and feel that owners should not be in this buisness if they are not willing to lose large amounts of money in the process of investing in winning. If you feel otherwise, that is fine.

The way you're getting offended is mesmorizing to me, considering I have only stated my opinion throughout this entire thread. If you don't care that baseball owners are in it for the money, that's fine. I am well aware that Moores and half of the other owners in baseball would like to win, but am not content with simply "liking to win". I am a very passionate person and enjoy winning, would stop at nothing to achieve a championship for our Padres if I could, and that's how all owners should be.

And, sir, I never once whined about anything, nor have I ever whined on this forum. I didn't bring up Moores in the first palce. I will state my opinion and my own displeasure that other fans don't agree with me on the desires of owners, but only when asked upon. I keep my rambles and whining strictly for Moores, but I probably shoyuld start sending the same letters to most of the owners in baseball.

Until I see Moores up the payroll next year a couple million,a s it should with inflation and ticket sales and debts being paid, ON TOP of the thirty plus million we'll have in store, I will continue to not appreciate his actions. If our payroll is around 70 or 70 plus million next year, I will gladly accept Moores as an owner that really wants to win. Now, mark my words, I will bring this post up next April if our payroll is below this year's and directly ask you what you now think of Moores and his feelings for our team. If the payroll is 70 or so million, I will bring up this post and commend Moores for being on the same apge as me.

[Rufio181]

Are the teams under us.....

18 Texas Rangers $68,228,662
19 Minnesota Twins $63,396,006
20 Washington Nationals $63,143,000
21 Oakland Athletics $62,243,079
22 Cincinnati Reds $60,909,519
23 Arizona Diamondbacks $59,684,226
24 Milwaukee Brewers $57,568,333
25 Cleveland Indians $56,031,500
26 Kansas City Royals $47,294,000
27 Pittsburgh Pirates $46,717,750
28 Colorado Rockies $41,233,000
29 Tampa Bay Devil Rays $35,417,967
30 Florida Marlins $14,998,500

There's some success with Oakland and Minnesota over there.

[OBBoltsFan]

As for you thinking that San Diego would be quick to get team should be allow the ones we have to leave being "rediculous" ...... Man I don't know what planet you're on, but we're not getting another team if the Padres or Chargers leave, which is why the fight to keep them has been so nasty...We're even trying to stick the Chargers in National City in order to keep them......why......because if they leave, we're not getting another team.......that's why....

I like the dream world you appear to be living in where teams are just dying to come to San Diego, but in the real world, that's just about as far from the truth as you can get...... this is a fickle market, and always has been....we're a melting pot, military, border town that happens to have some pretty great things to do besides attend pro games....This is why we lost the Clippers, Soccers and most recently the Gulls....

For the record, even through the bad times at San Diego in '99-03, we were still 20,000+ strong a night at the Q. If you don't think an owner would capitalize on that statistic, those impressive numbers through bad seasons at an old stadium, you are seriously underestimating the value of San Diego and it's fans.

[HollywoodLeo]

dude, 20K at a baseball game isn't really that good in terms of attendance.

[padrefanforever]

20,000 in a football stadium you have to rent is jack squat......get real

[padrefanforever]

Moores has up'd payroll since leaving the Q....every single year.....so why should next year be any different.....??

[OBBoltsFan]

Moores has up'd payroll since leaving the Q....every single year.....so why should next year be any different.....??

Because I believe that of that 35 million we will ahve to spend, Moores will only spend 25 or so of it which will be more than enough to acquire a few big names on the team, thus ample enough publicity for the average San Diego fan (who does not know much about salaries and such) will be appeased. I feel this is a very likely and scary scenario, because it would prove that Moores cares more about getting by without turmoil while making money than simply winning.

I hope to God this will not be the case, but I just can't accept that Moores wants to win that much more than putting 10 million in his pocket.

[OBBoltsFan]

dude, 20K at a baseball game isn't really that good in terms of attendance.

Our average was more on the likes of 25K than 20, and compare that to the average attendances for teams with similar records to ours in those periods. I think you'd be surprised.