Quite a possiblity.

[love_that_reefer]

SD was around $69 million before the season started.

[HollywoodLeo]

I'm right there with you OBBolts....I just have a feeling this has John Moores written all over it. Think about it, Moores knew he didn't have the prospects for Maddux and knew he wouldn't be cheap if they wanted to re-sign him. As for Betemit, he knew he was going to have to pay a good chuck for a long term deal after this year. That has John "Cheap" Moores written all over it.

I respectfully disagree.

Why would Moores turn down these deals just because of how much it'd cost to resign them?

If that was his main concern why would he stop us from acquiring them and just not resigning them when the time comes.

And let's not forget the fact that Moores has 20-30 mil coming off his payroll this year.

It's even dumber when you accuse him of that in regards to Betimit. We have youngsters of our own that will need to be resigned in the next few years. If you think Moores would force KT to turn down Betimit-Linebrink because Betimit might cost "too much" in the future, well then we may as well kiss Khalil, Jake, Barfield, Chris Young, and Adrian good bye...

I do wish Moores would spend a little more money, but i'm also quick to point out that I don't know if he can "afford" to do so and maintain a profit. (heaven forbid a business owner want to make money off his business, right?) But to accuse him of penny pinching at the level you do with this post is just assinine, to be perfectly blunt.

[padrefanforever]

god damn hollywood.........I agree with every single word you typed...... someone check in on hell.......I think it's frozen

[OBBoltsFan]

I do wish Moores would spend a little more money, but i'm also quick to point out that I don't know if he can "afford" to do so and maintain a profit. (heaven forbid a business owner want to make money off his business, right?) But to accuse him of penny pinching at the level you do with this post is just assinine, to be perfectly blunt.

Penny pinching may be extreme, but, to me, claiming he is not cheap may be even more bold of a statement.

[HollywoodLeo]

Penny pinching may be extreme, but, to me, claiming he is not cheap may be even more bold of a statement.

To each their own

I've already grown to know that arguing with you on this is a wasted effort, so I won't even try.

[OBBoltsFan]

To each their own

I've already grown to know that arguing with you on this is a wasted effort, so I won't even try.

That's not true. I just look at the facts, Leo. We are in the middle for salary yet we have posted ticket sales in the top 8 for the past few seasons. Moreover, what did Moores in for me was his comments about not willing to spend anymore money to help his ballclub, one likely to make it to the playoffs, at the deadline. I would take money out of my own pocket to help the Padres, and I am not worth billions of dollars. I simply feel that owners should be the biggest fans; I understand that probably half of the owners in abseball are as cheap and unwilling to support their teams as Moores is, but it does not make it ok to me.

[Rufio181]

Is this 20-30 million added on from deadweight contracts (ie Nevin, Klesko?)?

[HollywoodLeo]

That's not true. I just look at the facts, Leo. We are in the middle for salary yet we have posted ticket sales in the top 8 for the past few seasons.

TV media deals account for the income much more than ticket sales do. What do you think Sandy Alderson meant by his remark at the "state of the Padres" thing at the beginning of the year when he mentioned how the Padres rely on ticket sales more so than your average team does?

Moreover, what did Moores in for me was his comments about not willing to spend anymore money to help his ballclub, one likely to make it to the playoffs, at the deadline.

Wheras I think he may have been pushing it here to a degree I can certainly understand his mindset.

For starters, I don't think Moores "doesn't care about winning" but, at the same time, I am sure he wants to make money...and who can blame him?
He alloted KT X amount of dough to put together a winning team and KT used X at the beginning of the season. All Moores was stating was that he had the limit and he was sticking to it.

I do think it was a poor choice to make that statement as bluntly as he did to the public, though.

I would take money out of my own pocket to help the Padres, and I am not worth billions of dollars. I simply feel that owners should be the biggest fans; I understand that probably half of the owners in abseball are as cheap and unwilling to support their teams as Moores is, but it does not make it ok to me.

If I was a multi billionare and I owned the Padres I would spend whatever it takes to get them to win.
But that doesn't mean I will fault someone who doesn't neccesarily share the same viewpoint.

Furthermore I wouldn't go as far as to say that Moores doesn't support the team and that he doesn't want to win.

1. If he didn't want to win why would he add what would be unnecesary payroll? (bringing in Sandy and DePodesta)
A complete lack of desire to win makes them pointless to his endevors, as he already had someone to put together a team for him.

2. Being the business man that Moores is i'm sure he's intelligent enough to know that a losing team won't give him money, so even if the money was all that he cared about he'd still care about winning by proxy.

The only difference between you (and me) and Moores is that we'd spend whatever it takes to win, even if it means losing money....Moores doesn't want to lose money, and I find it hard to blame him for that.

Oh, and there's also the debt service rule, of which I don't fully understand, but I do understand the basic concept of it is to prevent owners from digging into their own pockets to spend on the team even if it makes the goes-outs higher than the goes-ins...

[padrefanforever]

Great post Hollywood

[Rufio181]

And if you're team keeps winning, you should generate more revenue. Its rediculous saying Moores doesn't care about his team.

[padrefanforever]

I agree....

Is everyone in here season tix holders? If not, you simply don't care about your team !!! Same line of logic.....how's that work for everyone ?

[HollywoodLeo]

excellent analogy, pff.

[OBBoltsFan]

And if you're team keeps winning, you should generate more revenue. Its rediculous saying Moores doesn't care about his team.

You all obviously have problems reading, because I did not state that he could care less about winning. I said he cares less than you and i, just as a lot of owners do, and it is NOT right. 100 percent not f'ing alright. You all can sit around and accept that that's how these owners behave, but I won't, and if you didn't either, the MLB would be a lot more competitive.

But what's worse is that there already is a lot of parity in baseball considering the world champions of the past half decade, yet Moores hasn;t done anything to the core of management to help solve our problems until only last year by signing Alderson. If success is capable with a low payroll, Moores should have been searching for replacements a long time ago instead of sitting pretty with his money and simply waiting until he absolutely HAS to do something or else the fans will get pissed.

Moores is a buisnessman and a fine owner... by what is an ownr's standard in this day of age, at elast. No owner that cares less about his team than I do is a good owner, in my eyes, and nothing in the world will ever convince me that Moores cares about this team winning as much as we do until he opens his wallet and invests into one friggin season for us.

Well, then many aruge that he doesn;t pay more because he is against over spending and the inflation within the MLB. OK, that's acceptable. Or at elast it would be had he not spent ridiculous amounts on the 98 padres to rue the San Digo voters in on the stadium. So it's OK to spend money and inflate MLB when it's in your ebst interest? Whatever. Moores is an owner, the same as most owners in the MLB, and while I may not dislike them and certainly understand where they're coming from, it does not mean I have to stand for it.

[HollywoodLeo]

You all obviously have problems reading, because I did not state that he could care less about winning. I said he cares less than you and i, just as a lot of owners do, and it is NOT right. 100 percent not f'ing alright. You all can sit around and accept that that's how these owners behave, but I won't, and if you didn't either, the MLB would be a lot more competitive.

I see it more as me accepting reality than thinking it's "right"
Furthermore I find it difficult to declare it to be "wrong" for a business owner to want to make money off his business.

Also, baseball will not be more competitive until the day a salary cap is invoked, which has nothing to do with fans getting irate over whether or not their team's owner is a diehard fan of the team he owns.

But what's worse is that there already is a lot of parity in baseball considering the world champions of the past half decade, yet Moores hasn;t done anything to the core of management to help solve our problems until only last year by signing Alderson.

And this year with DePodesta. He also brought in Fuson. Does he have to hire an entire fleet of former GMs before you think he's trying to do something?

If success is capable with a low payroll, Moores should have been searching for replacements a long time ago instead of sitting pretty with his money and simply waiting until he absolutely HAS to do something or else the fans will get pissed.

Perhaps Moores felt just as much as I do that there's not much his GM could've done with the payroll he gave him from 1999-2003* (and the GM was pretty succesful prior to that.)

The Padres move into PetCo and sure enough payroll goes back up. Funny coincidence?

* - not saying I agree or disagree with these years, although I certainly understand them.

Moores is a buisnessman and a fine owner... by what is an ownr's standard in this day of age, at elast. No owner that cares less about his team than I do is a good owner, in my eyes,

So, in otherwords, there aren't any good owners out there in your eyes.

and nothing in the world will ever convince me that Moores cares about this team winning as much as we do until he opens his wallet and invests into one friggin season for us.

He's had a 65-70 mil payroll every year since PetCo has opened, which is pretty fair in my eyes. (not saying I wouldn't like to see more, but it's certainly not so low to warrent accusing him of not investing into the team.)

Well, then many aruge that he doesn;t pay more because he is against over spending and the inflation within the MLB. OK, that's acceptable.

I think he's fighting a useless battle, but I commend him for his efforts.

Or at elast it would be had he not spent ridiculous amounts on the 98 padres to rue the San Digo voters in on the stadium. So it's OK to spend money and inflate MLB when it's in your ebst interest?

Let's not forget the San Diego Padres fans' interests here. Had he not "rued" the fans into the stadium (nevermind the World Series trip) there would be no San Diego Padres for you to ***** about the ownership of. It'd be the Washington Padres (or Nationals, I suppose)

[OBBoltsFan]

I see it more as me accepting reality than thinking it's "right"
Furthermore I find it difficult to declare it to be "wrong" for a business owner to want to make money off his business.

Also, baseball will not be more competitive until the day a salary cap is invoked, which has nothing to do with fans getting irate over whether or not their team's owner is a diehard fan of the team he owns.


And this year with DePodesta. He also brought in Fuson. Does he have to hire an entire fleet of former GMs before you think he's trying to do something?


Perhaps Moores felt just as much as I do that there's not much his GM could've done with the payroll he gave him from 1999-2003* (and the GM was pretty succesful prior to that.)

The Padres move into PetCo and sure enough payroll goes back up. Funny coincidence?

* - not saying I agree or disagree with these years, although I certainly understand them.


So, in otherwords, there aren't any good owners out there in your eyes.


He's had a 65-70 mil payroll every year since PetCo has opened, which is pretty fair in my eyes. (not saying I wouldn't like to see more, but it's certainly not so low to warrent accusing him of not investing into the team.)

I think he's fighting a useless battle, but I commend him for his efforts.


Let's not forget the San Diego Padres fans' interests here. Had he not "rued" the fans into the stadium (nevermind the World Series trip) there would be no San Diego Padres for you to ***** about the ownership of. It'd be the Washington Padres (or Nationals, I suppose)

What you consider a "reality" is only what us fans allow to be a reality. I won't stand for it; I'm sorry you will.