Trevor closes in on the Saves record...will it stand?

[FmrFresnan]

Hey Reefer, answer this question for me....why does ESPN spend so much time following Barry Bonds' HR chase and only mention ONCE that Trevor Hoffman is also in a All Time record chase? Funny thing is, Trevor is closer to his All Time record(443 ->478 ) than Barry Steroids is to the HR record(714 -> 755).

[love_that_reefer]

Hey FrmFresnan, why the hell are you asking me? Am I somehow affiliated with ESPN? If I am, you should have told me years ago because ESPN would be 100x better. If I had to guess, maybe because the all-time homerun record is a lot bigger than the all-time saves record. Maybe because Hoffman will most likely be surpassed six years after he retires.

[FmrFresnan]

Passed by who? Rivera? The way he's pitched this year, he's not getting anywhere close to Trevor. Also, Trevor still has the remainder of this year plus, I believe, 2 more years to close games for the Padres. Let's say he averages 40 saves over the next 3 years, that record is going to stand for quite some time.

[padrefanforever]

Who's closing for the Giants these days anyway........really......I don't know......Benietz is hurt still isn't he, or is he just not doing the job ?

[HollywoodLeo]

Benitez is back from the DL...for now anyways.

[love_that_reefer]

Benitez has been back for a while. The Giants just haven't had any real save chances. And yes Trevor will be passed by the influx of saves over the past few years, that's why I gave a six year window.

[HollywoodLeo]

I think it's possible for Trevor to be surpassed, mainly because saves have become more "important" as of late.

The only thing I can't think of is by whom, as it seems every time there's a flash in the pan closer who looks great he drops off 2 or 3 years later.

I thought for sure Gagne would pass him eventually, but so much for that now.

[love_that_reefer]

Billy Wagner has a good shot with the Mets. They are breeding closers now!

[padrefanforever]

Records are meant to fall, to guys that deserve to break them.....He'll be top dog for a while is all that matters.....if it lasts 5 years or 25 years he'll still be remembered as the "best of alltime" until the next person to wear that crown surfaces.....

[FmrFresnan]

Billy Wagner has a good shot with the Mets. They are breeding closers now!

Unless Wagner learns how to throw more than a fastball, he won't get anywhere close. He hasn't exactly been automatic this year has he?

[HollywoodLeo]

Unless Wagner learns how to throw more than a fastball, he won't get anywhere close. He hasn't exactly been automatic this year has he?

I wish Linebrink would learn a changeup as well

[padrefanforever]

He does need another go to pitch........

[love_that_reefer]

Unless Wagner learns how to throw more than a fastball, he won't get anywhere close. He hasn't exactly been automatic this year has he?

LOLOLOLOL He hasn't been automatic but still has 10 saves and will get 40+ with the wat the Mets play. And if you only think Wagner throws a fastball, you have never seen him pitch and don't need to argue against him. Hoffman has maybe two more years after this season (one for certain). I still can't believe you asked me the original question.

[FmrFresnan]

LOLOLOLOL He hasn't been automatic but still has 10 saves and will get 40+ with the wat the Mets play. And if you only think Wagner throws a fastball, you have never seen him pitch and don't need to argue against him. Hoffman has maybe two more years after this season (one for certain). I still can't believe you asked me the original question.

Reefer, actually I have seen him pitch. Is Wagner not known for throwing that fastball over any other pitch he may have? Yes, Wagner has 10 saves, but he also has 3 blown saves and a very bad 1/3 of an inning against the Yankees when he gave up 4 runs. He's also not a young guy anymore, he'll be 35 in July and unless he averages 40 saves over the next 5 years, if he pitches that long, he's not touching Trevor's record.

[padrefanforever]

Wagner's only shot IMO is if Hoffy can't go two more years......if Hoffy goes two more, then I don't think he's inline to take over......but there are a slew of mid 20somethings now saving games, that will probably all make a run at whatever mark Hoffy leaves behind....