Season Average Neutralized(Park and Team neutral) Stats for both:
Swisher- .248/.360/.457 OPS: .817 28 HR, 85 RBI
Nady- .280/.335/.457 OPS: .792, 21 HR, 78 RBI
Just as a reference. This is from Baseball-Reference. Personally, I'm not a big Swisher fan, and both will most likely see everyday playing time this year.
So its the park's fault Swisher strikes out so often and can't hit for average. The whole time I thought it was because he wasn't that good of a hitter. I mean, his home/away splits suggest he sucks everywhere he goes. He actually hit more homers at home than away Nady is more well rounded. Does he get the walks? No. Does he get the hits? Yes. Who has recent success? You wouldn't be managing long if you started Swisher over Nady when one is improving and one is regressing. Again, the 4 point lead in OPS makes up for the .37 lead in BA? Not in my book. Nady's OBP is league average while he hits .15 points higher than league average. Again, I'll take the more complete hitter.
Swisher has slightly more power Nady has the better SLG!! Nady is the better all around hitter!! Its not even close.
Hits leads to runs and moving runners. Important to do especially in the bottom of the order. Swisher's 30-40 more strikeouts hurts down there.
Swisher is a natural first baseman?? When did this shit start? He played only 7 games at first in the minors:laughs: He is an OF. Oh and by the way, he hits .225 as a first baseman. Not good.
No, Nady is the more solid player.
Oh no browntown. If I wanted Swisher, I would have said "Again, I'll take the less talented hitter."
K's are overrated, an out is an out. Who cares he doesn't hit for AVG? He doesn't make outs like Nady.
Exactly.I mean, his home/away splits suggest he sucks everywhere he goes. He actually hit more homers at home than away Nady is more well rounded. Does he get the walks? No.
But he gets on base less. When his bat speed goes, he's done.Does he get the hits? Yes.
Simple: Nady's H+BB < Swisher's H+BB
So now recent success in the last year is important? ****, Cliff Lee over Roy Oswalt, and Matt Cain hell yeah.Who has recent success?
Or not.
And you wouldn't be managing long since you can't understand fluke.You wouldn't be managing long if you started Swisher over Nady when one is improving and one is regressing.
But Swisher walks more. Are those singles really more important to you than walks? Really? That's all those higher BA points are. Singles instead of walks. As was posted earlier, they have the same adjusted slugging. Why would I want a guy who gets on base less just because he hits a few more singles? Are the extra outs really worth it?Again, the 4 point lead in OPS makes up for the .37 lead in BA? Not in my book. Nady's OBP is league average while he hits .15 points higher than league average. Again, I'll take the more complete hitter.
Nady is complete in that he does nothing well, and everything about average. Swish gets on base quite well.
It's about even in SLG when adjusted. Nady has poor plate discipline. I'm a broekn record here.
K's are the same as pop outs. Swisher makes less outs. When Swisher walks, Nady grounds out. When Nady gets a hit, Swisher walks. Getting on base and not getting out is the most important thing.Hits leads to runs and moving runners. Important to do especially in the bottom of the order. Swisher's 30-40 more strikeouts hurts down there.
He's played more games at 1B than any position in the majors. That's a factual statement. Besides, I'd sign Tex and move him to RF anyway.Swisher is a natural first baseman?? When did this shit start? He played only 7 games at first in the minors:laughs: He is an OF. Oh and by the way, he hits .225 as a first baseman. Not good.
Having a higher BA does not make you more solid. H+BB+TB/PA (which is AVG/OBP/SLG) and determines that. Swisher wins that category.No, Nady is the more solid player.
K's are the same as fly outs? What about sac flies? What about grounds outs with a runner on third and less than two outs? So many scenarios that are better than K's. When Nady hits, Swisher either strikes out or walks. Hits generate more offense, especially with RISP. I'll take the guy with a .44 better average in that department, since you like gaps so much. Dismissing the clear cut advantage in average is foolish. It is not the best stat but it tells a story when the OPS is so close.
Swisher has played 94 more games in the OF than at first. Your statement was not fact, mine is! Gets your facts straight. Another fact, Swisher played exactly seven games at first in the minors. I'd sign Teixeira and keep the better defensive and offensive RFer in the game in Nady.
How does Swisher win? Nady gets more hits and Swisher has a slight lead in OPS. Again, the huge gap in BA cannot be ignored.
Swisher makes more outs on average than Nady.
Oh yeah, I would be managing a lot longer especially if the other managers thought like you. Better defense and a better hitter stays in my lineup and won't be benched for the lesser player. Not basing it on "flukes", just talent.
And yes, these "singles" are more important in the bottom half of the order than walks. Singles can move runners and even drive in runs. What a crazy concept!! Walks don't drive in runs unless the bases are loaded. And what a player does once on base matters too. Swisher isn't fast. OBP for slow guys like that are misleading.
This is starting to bore me. You value a slight lead in OPS, I value the enormous gap in BA. I'll take the better hitter with RISP and better defender. You like Swisher, I like Nady. Let's call the whole thing off
It comes down to Swish getting on base more, which is more productive than making outs. Simple as that.
OF is one position now? Holy shit, are you sure you watch baseball? Read what I wrote again.Swisher has played 94 more games in the OF than at first. Your statement was not fact, mine is! Gets your facts straight. Another fact, Swisher played exactly seven games at first in the minors. I'd sign Teixeira and keep the better defensive and offensive RFer in the game in Nady.
It can when Swisher has that gap in OBP and walks. Simple equation: Swisher's H+BB > Nady's H+BBHow does Swisher win? Nady gets more hits and Swisher has a slight lead in OPS. Again, the huge gap in BA cannot be ignored.
Swish makes more outs than Nady, simple as that. Swisher with more plate appearances still only has a slight lead in Runs Created. 5.6 to Nady's 5.3.
He's an OFer!! There is no getting around it. You can play semantics all you want but doesn't change the fact. Yes, I watch baseball and apparently more closely than you or this wouldn't even be a debate Swisher is not a natural first baseman as I have clearly pointed out. Hardly even played until he got to the bigs. He is a natural OFer. That is the fact, Jack.
That gap in OBP is lesser than the gap in BA and Swisher still makes more outs.
I'm taking the better defender and hitter, Xavier Nady.