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    Re: Swagger!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    What bunts? What steals? The Yankees won in '96 with an average offense and a top heavy pitching staff that got hot in the playoffs.

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    Re: Swagger!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Dry1313 View Post
    I disagree. Swagger comes from confidence, in your team and in your ability, and with young fire breathers like Joba, Melky, and Cano, we definitely have that swagger.

    I think translating it into victory is our final step
    Swagger comes from winning, not the other way around.
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    Re: Swagger!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Saber View Post
    What bunts? What steals? The Yankees won in '96 with an average offense and a top heavy pitching staff that got hot in the playoffs.
    http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/NYY/1996.shtml

    We played small ball man...contact, moving the runner around, good situational hitting.
    Quote Originally Posted by HollywoodLeo View Post
    Swagger comes from winning, not the other way around.
    Not true.

    Swagger comes from playing well, and so does winning...

    If we're playing well and having fun man, we'll have that swagger

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    Re: Swagger!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I read that chart prior to posting. 7th in steals? Is that small ball? 153 GIDP? Still not seeing it.

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    Re: Swagger!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Saber View Post
    I read that chart prior to posting. 7th in steals? Is that small ball? 153 GIDP? Still not seeing it.
    Small ball isn't just bunting and stealing...hitting to the right side with a runner on 2nd, getting the ball in the air with a runner on third and less than two outs...

    That's what they were good at...not "small" ball, but little ball, doing small things to win games

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    And that's proven by hitting about 5 more sac flies over the year than their AL playoff opponents? 10 more sac hits?

    Maybe it was the fact that they hit for a higher average or got on base more? Maybe it was Pettitte, Cone, Rivera, and Wetteland that won the division?

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    Re: Swagger!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Dry1313 View Post
    Not true.

    Swagger comes from playing well, and so does winning...

    If we're playing well and having fun man, we'll have that swagger
    If your team is "boasting and bragging noisily" and carrying an "ostentatious display of arrogance and conceit." simply from "playing well" (re: Not necessarily winning) they have problems.
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    Re: Swagger!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Saber View Post
    And that's proven by hitting about 5 more sac flies over the year than their AL playoff opponents? 10 more sac hits?

    Maybe it was the fact that they hit for a higher average or got on base more? Maybe it was Pettitte, Cone, Rivera, and Wetteland that won the division?
    I'm not talking in terms of bunts and sac flies or things like that...I mean hitting to the right side with a runner on first or hitting well with RISP or in close games...maybe check out these numbers: http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi...=NYY&year=1996

    I'm not saying that was outstanding and why we won the Series, because only an idiot would ignore the pitching performance...I'm saying we didn't slug teams out like the late 90's, we played real baseball.
    Quote Originally Posted by HollywoodLeo View Post
    If your team is "boasting and bragging noisily" and carrying an "ostentatious display of arrogance and conceit." simply from "playing well" (re: Not necessarily winning) they have problems.
    I mean, I understand that has been the working definition, and I don't want to turn this into aguing semantics, but hell, I don't consider swagger arrogance...I consider it exuding confidence constantly. That you can do without winning 75% of the time...

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    Re: Swagger!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Dry1313 View Post
    I mean, I understand that has been the working definition, and I don't want to turn this into aguing semantics, but hell, I don't consider swagger arrogance...I consider it exuding confidence constantly. That you can do without winning 75% of the time...
    And that's the exact reason why I hate it when sportscasters and fans use the word.

    They try to change its meaning.
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    Re: Swagger!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by HollywoodLeo View Post
    And that's the exact reason why I hate it when sportscasters and fans use the word.

    They try to change its meaning.
    I believe swagger is an old old wooden ship used during the Civil War Era.

    No, but seriously, I agree...when I saw this thread, I knew it would boil down to that.

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