Introducing free agency compensation

[Kingdom]

Like Tampa getting comp for Chad Qualls or Dan Wheeler or some guy like that,

[HollywoodLeo]

so long as RPs generally aren't "A"s, that's a big part of why MLB got rid of the A and B rankings. Not to mention in this league it's been often stated RPs generally have low value.

This wouldn't be quite comparible to MLB's old version because everyone is going to get a prospect at the same position as the FA lost.

In other words, it doesn't matter if your reliever is a type A because you'll just be getting another reliever prospect in return.

edit: If I go with CJ's superstar category idea that would include a lost 1st round pick for the signing team, that would be the exception to the rule of getting a prospect at the same position as the team losing the FA would instead be gaining that pick...and no relievers would fall under that category.

[cjkalt]

Yea i would just take out the superstar category for RP's since there are no superstar RP's lol...

[Shadow29]

Its possible that I'm missing something due to the browser not working well at work, but why does a hitter get more points the better he does, but a pitcher gets less points the better he does. So a hitter gets 8 points for a .360 average, but a pitcher only gets 1 point for a sub 3 ERA?

Again I could be seeing the pic wrong in Hollywoods post, or maybe misread it, but I figured I'd ask.

[HollywoodLeo]

heh, yeah the pitching is backwards in the one I posted.

I just cut and pasted that from a suggestion in the TC. I'd like to hope I'd have noticed it once I actually sat down and started figuring the tiers out.

Either way, I'm probably leaning towards CJ's charts now anyway while only deciding on whether or not to include the top "superstar" tier (Although I'd probably just change it to types A, B, and C with A being the "superstar")

[HollywoodLeo]

Okay now they should all be visible when you hit on them...

Again to do this I used a % multiplier on league wide averages for all the categories (other than ratings)

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Slightly altering the MR categories by eliminating saves and adding a 1.5 multiplier to ERA and WHIP and lowering the ratings criteria a bit, this is the results using these numbers for the current crop of pending FAs. (renaming "Superstar" as Type A and the other two bumped down to "Type B" and "Type C").

As an aside, compensation is lost if player retires or dies with the turnover. Contemplating putting an age limit of 36 on it as well, players that would be too old are italicized.

Type A (1st round pick of signing team who forfeits said pick)
none

Type B (low-end 5.0 prospect at same position)
MR Willie Brown (Florida/Montreal)
MR Ivan Rodrigues (Tampa Bay)
SP Christopher Goad (Toronto)
CL Graig Jakes (Cincinnati)
2B Samuel Cajigas (Texas)
1B Jim Bottomley (Texas)
SP Ted Lyons (Cubs)

Type C (3.0-4.0 prospect at same position)
MR Frank Winters (White Sox)
SP James Phillips (Seattle)
MR Manuel Coca (Milwaukee)
SP Michael Bussell (St Louis)
SP Gary Client (Colorado)
2B Frankie Cristobal (San Diego)

[Kingdom]

How did some of those guys garner higher comp than Client?

[HollywoodLeo]

How did some of those guys garner higher comp than Client?

I just blindly went with the criteria CJ provided (and my altered version for relievers).

Keep in mind a type B middle reliever isn't quite as valuable as a type C starter since the compensation comes in the form of somebody at the same position.

Client broke down as such

33 ratings points - 5 points
13 wins - 1 point
15 Quality Starts - 5 points
3.44 ERA - 3 points
1.27 WHIP - 3 points

17 total, which is more than the 12 for type C but less than the 22 for type B

This list isn't final, though. I was just publicly seeing how they would fall based on CJ's criteria.

That being said, Client and Frankie Cristobal (and perhaps Coca) are the only ones that really seem out of place.

[Kingdom]

Subjective..It just depends how a player is rated. If the MR has 5 or 6 end, they could be 6-7-6 and be five stars. If a SP has 10 end, they could be the same..rated low but cause the endurance is high, the star rating is overrated. I guess it'll just depend on how you rate them. If previous sim league drafts tell us anything, we are more likely to take a 5 star reliever/closer early.

I only skimmed Lyons, Rodrigues, and Goad as comparison to Client and that was my reason for asking out loud

[OrioleMagic]

Is the 36 year old age cap in place or not?

[Providence A's]

Shouldn't innings play a role for pitchers? Rodrigues had less than half the number of innings Coca did (43 to 110). Did Ridrigues get type B mostly because of his endurance? I would say Coca was the more valuable reliever due to the innings and solid numbers.

[HollywoodLeo]

I was taking innings into account, except I overlooked it with Rodrigues on accident. If a starter was used as a reliever I treated him as such.

Coca missed type B by one point iirc

[HollywoodLeo]

Is the 36 year old age cap in place or not?

Thanks for reminding me.

Anybody who's 36 or older as of the rollover isn't eligible or compensation.

I may come up with some form of likely to be rarely applicable extreme criteria to account for some superstar who's aging well. Or, I'll just use the common sense rule if that situation ever arises.

As such, Rodrigues and Cajigas aren't eligible

Lots or borderline ones in this class (35 yrs) but I like to work with specific criteria with a line drawn somewhere.

[Trendy Bastard]

Well shit.

[HollywoodLeo]

I figure since the purpose is compensate for not being able to resign someone it doesn't make sense to compensate for someone most wouldn't try to lock up anyway.

35 is probably pushing it too but I still prefer to lean in favor of being generous lol