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San Francisco GiantsNo, just the entire second half.Originally Posted by Dry1313
No, just the entire second half.
League Team years Record Wild Card Division Pennants Titles MSL San Diego Padres 2034-2059 2,217-1,995 1 6 3 1 TBL Arizona Diamondbacks 2005-2018 1,216-1,053 1 9 6 3 TSSL San Diego Padres 2015-2021, 2024-2028 1,017-928 0 7 3 2 TSSL Texas Rangers 2029-2033 396-414 0 0 0 0
Carpenter would be my 1st choice to win it, Webb 2nd, Arroyo 3rd, Oswalt 4th, Penny 5th but the NL could pull a "Colon" this year and just award it to Penny for most wins.
For Hoffman to get consdier he needs 50 saves, he just won't get that many with so few games left.
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So apparently i disagree with a couple of NY fans that means i'm a hater? Good job dry for being prejudice, i have disagreed with allot of other posters also, does that mean i hate them also? Grow the **** up, your acting like a HS drama queen.
It's not based on the lack of CY candidates, it's based on the fact that a team 6 games under .500 is still in the WC race and that the AL WC leader is 8 games better than the NL's 2nd best team AND the thrashing the AL gave you in IL play.LOL@ NL being horrible? Great couldn't expect anything less from NY fans. Good logic you base on your conclusion on the number of cy young candidates, you should start watching more NL baseball.
Are you saying the NL is good this year?
No team 6 games under .500 is in the WC hunt at this point so you can just knock that shit off. The NL has more parody and more competitive.
And no, thw writers will not give the NL Cy Young award to a guy with an ERA over 4. C'mon guys!
If I had to vote for the NL Cy Young award, I would list Carpenter, Webb, Penny, and Zambrano on my ballot. Had Zambrano not been injured, and if he played for a better team, he might just win it this season.
I think Carpenter wins again.
Carpenter, Webb, Zambrano, Trevor Hoffman, Billy Wagner,Bronson Arroyo, Chris Young, Josh Johnson, Derek Lowe, Roy Oswalt, and Woody Williams should all get the Cy Young before Brad Penny
(That list isn't in any particular order, other than that they all should get the CY before Brad Penny)
League Team years Record Wild Card Division Pennants Titles MSL San Diego Padres 2034-2059 2,217-1,995 1 6 3 1 TBL Arizona Diamondbacks 2005-2018 1,216-1,053 1 9 6 3 TSSL San Diego Padres 2015-2021, 2024-2028 1,017-928 0 7 3 2 TSSL Texas Rangers 2029-2033 396-414 0 0 0 0
It should be Webb or Carpenter, the ERA's make them the frontrunners, with Arroyo close behind. But seriously, the NL is so weak this year, Arroyo was an above average starter in the AL with the Sox, and he goes to the NL and all of a sudden he's top 3? Gimme a break.
Arroyo wasn't given a fair chance with the Red Sox, he was always being bounced around between the rotation and the bullpen, he never had a season-long shot as a starter. It's hard to stay consistent when you never know how you're going to be used. To compare the AL to the NL from one guy (Arroyo) is crazy. Example that disproves everything you said: A.J. Burnett goes from the NL to the AL and is still the same caliber of pitcher. Oh wait, isn't the AL supposed to be much tougher? Why is Burnett still pitching the same? Shouldn't he be struggling?
What about Josh Beckett, whose ERA jumped from 3.38 to 5.10 in one year? He didn't change much as a pitcher, it's just harder to pitch in the AL and easier in the NL, because in the NL the bottom of the order provides easy outs and in the AL the bottom of the order just sets the table for the top. Burnett is pitching as well because he can keep up his intensity through the bottom of the order where in the NL you can ease up and still get easy outs.Arroyo wasn't given a fair chance with the Red Sox, he was always being bounced around between the rotation and the bullpen, he never had a season-long shot as a starter. It's hard to stay consistent when you never know how you're going to be used. To compare the AL to the NL from one guy (Arroyo) is crazy. Example that disproves everything you said: A.J. Burnett goes from the NL to the AL and is still the same caliber of pitcher. Oh wait, isn't the AL supposed to be much tougher? Why is Burnett still pitching the same? Shouldn't he be struggling?
Beckett has changed plenty in making the switch, since he's stopped throwing his breaking balls as much to prevent blisters.
I agree about Arroyo. Having a defined role makes training and preparing easier. Either be in the bullpen or in the rotation.
He has not pitched well enough, IMO to warrant a lot of consideration -- at least not this season. If he improves as much between this season and next as he did between last year and this, he will be quite a pitcher.
Plus Beckett went from a good pitchers park to Fenway Park which is everything but.
The list goes on forever, it's much easier to ptich in the Nl and that's not just b/c the NL stinks this year. facing a DH imnstead of the pitcher is a huge difference. Look at what Clemens has done in the NL and he never approached that level w/ the Yanks his last few years int he AL, we got Vazques and Pavano from Nl teams and they sucked for us, someone brought up the Arroyo example, Beckett has been mediocre at best, Randy johsnon went from CY candidtate to average pitcher in the AL. It's just a fact it's easier to pitch in the NL.Arroyo wasn't given a fair chance with the Red Sox, he was always being bounced around between the rotation and the bullpen, he never had a season-long shot as a starter. It's hard to stay consistent when you never know how you're going to be used. To compare the AL to the NL from one guy (Arroyo) is crazy. Example that disproves everything you said: A.J. Burnett goes from the NL to the AL and is still the same caliber of pitcher. Oh wait, isn't the AL supposed to be much tougher? Why is Burnett still pitching the same? Shouldn't he be struggling?
Vasquez was ok, pavano hasn't pitched at all. Johnson and Clemens, you call yourself a yankee fan? Have you seen the velocity on Johnson's fastball? Its not 98, 99, 100 anymore, its in the mid to low 90s now! I'm sure switching over from AL to NL decreased his velocity, and the fact he's in his 40s plus he pitched in AL before he went to the NL get your facts straight. And for Clemens, he won a cy young in the NL in 04, he won one in 01 with the yankees what are your trying to say? plus i'm sure you have seen how much run support he's been getting with a houston lineup compare to a allstar yankee lineup.
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