Larry Walker, hall of famer?

[Kingdom]

Ha. When I run a sim league, I'm going to intentionally make Bubba really good but put him with someone who'd never deal him to Dry. It'll be fun

[Dry1313]

Jesus, no wonder there's 400 plus posts since I was last on this morning. You all went hardcore with the Larry Walker thread. I'm surprised, I did not expect Walker to generate this much attention. But it looks like he's our first cut in the S3F o' Fame

Bullshit. He clearly belongs in.

Next up: Bubba Crosby

...wanna get Dry REALLY riled up?

DON'T EVER DISHONOR BUBBA AGAIN

Ha. When I run a sim league, I'm going to intentionally make Bubba really good but put him with someone who'd never deal him to Dry. It'll be fun

You have me in SBSL...I had Zito in TPSL v.1...this needs to stop.

[browntown653]

I'm not dishonoring Bubba, I love as much as anyone (besides you)

[Bowzer]

Since when the **** does defense not matter?

[love_that_reefer]

Walker was a five tool player no doubt. He was an underrated base runner too.

[Dry1313]

IE...

Deserves in.

[Bowzer]

Walker was a five tool player no doubt. He was an underrated base runner too.

It sucks that gets overlooked in this Dinger-Craving society. People know Ryan Howard opposed to more rounded players who bring "more" to their team. Howard strikes out more than DirtyKash at the bar on Ladies Night. That's ok though, he hits the long ball and plays east of the Mississippi.

[ljshorty89]

I understand your points. The point is that defense does not get you into the Hall of Fame. And ya know what, his stats weren't there. Stop bullshitting with the East Coast bias and the idea that people love HR. They may be true, but thats not whats stopping Walker. His stats are just a bit short of where they would need to be

[ljshorty89]

Since when the **** does defense not matter?

We're not saying it doesn't matter, we're saying it won't play enough of a factor to make him a hall of famer

[Bowzer]

Stop bullshitting with the East Coast bias and the idea that people love HR. They may be true, but thats not whats stopping Walker. His stats are just a bit short of where they would need to be

I'm pretty sure Dry showed that on stats alone he should be considered. I really just wanted to talk about DK striking out .

[Bowzer]

We're not saying it doesn't matter, we're saying it won't play enough of a factor to make him a hall of famer

And that's what I think is bullshit. Almost along the lines of Ryan "I wear a frying pan at 3rd Base" Braun winning ROY over Tulo. I just don't get how a lot of the fundamentals for the game are undervalued compared to more of the "showy" side of the game. Consider me a pretty old-school 21 year old.

[HollywoodLeo]

Since when the **** does defense not matter?

I don't think anyone in this thread said it doesn't matter.

[ljshorty89]

And that's what I think is bullshit. Almost along the lines of Ryan "I wear a frying pan at 3rd Base" Braun winning ROY over Tulo. I just don't get how a lot of the fundamentals for the game are undervalued compared to more of the "showy" side of the game. Consider me a pretty old-school 21 year old.

To a certain extent I agree with you. The thing is, I don't think the Walker's defense was enough to make up for his slightly low offensive numbers. Ozzie Smith did not have great offensive numbers, but being the greatest ever at one of the most difficult defensive positions on the field managed to put him over the top. I just don't believe that Walker's defense was THAT good that it makes the difference between HoF and not.

[love_that_reefer]

I understand your points. The point is that defense does not get you into the Hall of Fame. And ya know what, his stats weren't there. Stop bullshitting with the East Coast bias and the idea that people love HR. They may be true, but thats not whats stopping Walker. His stats are just a bit short of where they would need to be

Ozzie Smith got in on his defense.

[Bowzer]

I don't think anyone in this thread said it doesn't matter.

Maybe didn't totally discredit it, but they definitely place a lot less value on it which I don't believe is correct.