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    Sean Casey is the heart and soul of the team. Without him, the Reds might win a lot more games, but I wouldn't have this warm feeling in my chest.

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    DPs are just rally KILLERS, and batting him 3rd just compounds the problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by missionhockey21
    I have a much bigger problem with Casey and his high amount of GIDP's, more so than his lack of homers.
    isnt he up near 25 GIDP's so far this year? thats absolutely brutal, when compounded with the lack of power production for a 1b type.
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    strikeouts are also a form of rally-killing as nothing positive comes from it...and your boys Dunn, Kearns, and Pena strikeout a lot, don't have a high OBP, and don't hit for average.

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    Dunns OBP is .386 and Pena's struggled a while. Kearns has show flashes of being the most complete of the three since being recalled.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Providence A's
    strikeouts are also a form of rally-killing as nothing positive comes from it...and your boys Dunn, Kearns, and Pena strikeout a lot, don't have a high OBP, and don't hit for average.
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    that's why I said "also a form of..." never said it was the same thing.

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    I wouldn't expect an A's fan to appreciate the value of walks and power.
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    Actually...
    -Casey has a higher OBP than Kearns and Pena...Dunn is only .20 higher.
    -Casey strikes out less than all 3. He has the highest average of the 4.
    -He has more hits and walks than Pena and Kearns combined in less ABs!
    -He has more doubles than Pena and Kearns, he's tied with Dunn for 21.
    -He's 2nd in RBIs...
    -The only place where he is sucking compared to the other 3 is homers and slugging. And GIDP as stated

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    Quote Originally Posted by Providence A's
    strikeouts are also a form of rally-killing as nothing positive comes from it...and your boys Dunn, Kearns, and Pena strikeout a lot, don't have a high OBP, and don't hit for average.
    Casey hits for average but still has a lower OBP, lower SLG% and a heck of a lot more GIDPs. I'll take Dunn's strikeouts ANYDAY if his power and production comes with it.

    And since when is .386 OBP not a high OBP? He still has the 18th best in baseball despite a low BA.

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    And Casey has an OBP of .363, which is significantly higher than Pena and Kearns. I never said keep Casey instead of Dunn, I was comparing all 4 (see previous post)...why do you need 3 guys that all do the same thing? Why not have 2 and 1 guy that does different stuff that is also of value?

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    The difference between Casey, Pena and Kearns is: cost, age and potential. Casey is much more expensive than the two combined, older and will be heading for the downside of his career. To me this isn't an argument between Casey, Pena and Kearns but rather Dunn and Casey. Casey's salary is the problem in this equation for myself. Dunn not only produces more, but is younger and has way more potential. I want to do whatever it takes to keep Dunn for the sake of the franchise. If Casey was making a low salary, I am sure a lot of people would want to keep him, but that's not the case. If we can use the money saved by trading him and sign Dunn to a LTC, it would be a sacrifice worth making.

    Sean Casey is a luxury the Reds can no longer afford.

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    So you're gonna be stuck with 3 guys that are going to give you the same thing and still no pitching. Casey isn't going to get you an ace in return. Trade Casey, but don't you think you'd get more from trading 1 of the other 3 guys (in addition to trading Casey)?

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    Why would we trade low? GM's want a deal because they think the Reds are desperate. I have no problem with a fair trade but a lot of teams for instance wanted to give absolute shit because Kearns was demoted. I am all for moving someone in a quality deal for both sides but I don't want to make a move just for the sake of doing it.

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    nor should you make a deal if you're not goint to get anything "worth it"...I'm just saying trading Casey only isn't the answer...at some point 1 of the 3 OF should be traded to be able to get some good pitching because I don't think Casey will get you that or enough of it in return.

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