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    rotoworld.com's top 10 reds spects

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    1. Homer Bailey - RHP - DOB: 05/03/86 - ETA: May 2007
    3-5, 3.31 ERA, 49 H, 79/22 K/BB in 70 2/3 IP for Single-A Sarasota
    7-1, 1.59 ERA, 50 H, 77/28 K/BB in 68 IP for Double-A Chattanooga

    The Reds have tried to be cautious, but Bailey, the NL's top pitching prospect, is on the cusp of the majors following a dominant stint in Double-A during the second half of last year. The seventh overall pick in the 2004 draft throws 94-97 mph with movement and features a curveball that ranks as one of the top breaking pitches in the minors. With his walk rate down significantly last year, the only thing missing from his game is a plus changeup. It looks like he'll get a month or two to work on the pitch in Triple-A at the start of this year, but if the Reds want to contend, Bailey will have to be in the rotation by June 1.

    2. Jay Bruce - OF - DOB: 04/03/87 - ETA: 2009
    .291/.355/.516, 16 HR, 81 RBI, 106/44 K/BB, 19 SB in 444 AB for low Single-A Dayton

    Despite batting .167 in the final month of the minor league season, Bruce finished with an 871 OPS and 63 extra-base hits in 117 games. He is on his way to showing 30-homer power and has proven to be better at going the other way than the Reds thought when they drafted him with the 12th overall pick in 2005. The left-handed hitter struggled some against southpaws, batting .236/.310/.439 in 123 at-bats. Bruce should be a whole lot more than a platoon player, though. While he's still seeing some time in center, he projects as an above average defensive right fielder in the majors. He could end 2007 in Double-A.

    3. Joey Votto - 1B - DOB: 09/10/83 - ETA: July 2007
    .319/.408/.547, 22 HR, 77 RBI, 109/78 K/BB, 24 SB in 508 AB for Double-A Chattanooga

    Votto, a 2002 second-round pick, had his stock take quite a hit when he batted just .256/.330/.425 with a 122/52 K/BB ratio in 464 at-bats for Single-A Sarasota in 2005. He improved in all facets of the game last year, even turning in a better showing on defense and going from four steals in nine tries to 24 in 31 attempts. There was no doubt about Votto's power even when he was struggling in the big ballparks of the FSL. The question was whether he'd make enough contact to warrant a starting job in the majors. Now it looks like he will, though he still doesn't project as much more than an average regular. If he gets off to a good start in Triple-A this year, he could overtake Scott Hatteberg in Cincinnati at some point during the summer. He'll likely have some .270-25 HR seasons.

    4. Drew Stubbs - OF - DOB: 10/04/84 - ETA: 2009
    .252/.368/.400, 6 HR, 24 RBI, 64/32 K/BB, 19 SB in 210 AB for Rookie Billings

    Stubbs starred at the University of Texas, hitting .342/.439/.580 in his final year as the team's center fielder. Still, the Reds decided against sending him to full-season ball after drafting him eighth overall in 2006. Stubbs is a legitimate defensive center fielder with plenty of power potential. What remains to be seen is whether his swing will allow him to handle advanced pitching. He struck out plenty even in college and continued to do so in the Pioneer League. Stubbs does enough else well that he'd be a quality regular in the majors as a .250-.260 hitter. However, it's possible even that will be beyond him.

    5. Travis Wood - LHP - DOB: 02/06/87 - ETA: 2009
    10-5, 3.66 ERA, 108 H, 133/56 K/BB in 140 IP for low Single-A Dayton

    Wood had an outstanding debut after being drafted in the second round in 2005, going 2-0 with a 1.29 ERA in 48 2/3 innings. Moved up to full-season ball, he continued to succeed on the strength of his excellent changeup, limiting hitters to a .215 average. Wood works at 89-92 mph with his fastball and is adept at throwing his change to lefties as well as righties. His curveball remains a problem, but he knows it and is he working to improve. The potential is there for him to reach Double-A as a 20-year-old this season.

    6. Johnny Cueto - RHP - DOB: 02/15/86 - ETA: 2009
    8-1, 2.59 ERA, 52 H, 82/15 K/BB in 76 1/3 IP for low Single-A Daytona
    7-2, 3.50 ERA, 48 H, 61/23 K/BB in 61 2/3 IP for Single-A Sarasota

    With a 15-3 record, Cueto, who had a 5.02 ERA in the GCL in 2005, was the Reds' breakthrough prospect last year. The 5-foot-11 right-hander owes a lot to his new changeup. He was already throwing in the mid-90s at times and showing a slider with a lot of movement. The change could give him three above average pitches by the time he's ready for the majors. What keeps him ranked below Wood is the likelihood of injury. While he's not a max-effort guy, he's still at high risk for arm problems. If he can remain healthy, he might be a factor in 2008.

    7. Paul Janish - SS - DOB: 10/12/82 - ETA: 2009
    .398/.435/.612, 5 HR, 18 RBI, 10/7 K/BB, 0 SB in 98 AB for low Single-A Daytona
    .278/.355/.421, 9 HR, 55 RBI, 39/38 K/BB, 8 SB in 335 AB for Single-A Sarasota
    .267/.313/.333, 0 HR, 2 RBI, 5/1 K/BB, 0 SB in 15 AB for Double-A Chattanooga

    Janish isn't three years away, but the Reds couldn't resist giving Alex Gonzalez a long-term deal in November. Like Gonzalez, Janish is a defense-first shortstop. The Rice product doesn't quite have Gonzalez's range, but he is above average and sure-handed. On offense, he's similarly well-rounded, but without anything that sets him apart. He has 10-12 homer power and is willing to take a walk. He probably won't hit for high averages in the majors, but he should do better than Gonzalez in that area. Steady progress would make him a solid regular in 2009.

    8. Chris Valaika - SS - DOB: 08/14/85 - ETA: 2009
    .324/.387/.520, 8 HR, 60 RBI, 64/21 K/BB, 2 SB in 275 AB for Rookie Billings

    Valaika's exceptional debut could put him on the fast track beginning this year. The 2006 third-round pick out of UC Santa Barbara projects to keep hitting for average, so if he can maintain the power he demonstrated last year, he should have a future as a regular. Unfortunately, he probably isn't going to last at shortstop. A position switch isn't on the way at the start of this year, but his lack of range suggests that he'll switch to second at some point.

    9. Sean Watson - RHP - DOB: 07/24/85 - ETA: 2009
    0-0, 1.52 ERA, 16 H, 19/5 K/BB in 23 2/3 IP for Rookie Billings
    1-2, 8.59 ERA, 22 H, 16/5 K/BB in 14 2/3 IP for low Single-A Daytona

    Watson made the move from starting to closing at the University of Tennessee, racking up 16 saves in his final two years. The Reds drafted him in the second round last year and had him start four games and relieve in 13 in his pro debut. It's likely that he'll be a starter this year, but because of his lack of a quality third pitch and subpar command, he figures to be a long-term reliever. Watson averages 93 mph with his fastball and shows a sharp curveball. The command might never be there to make him a closer, but he does have some upside.

    10. Chris Dickerson - OF - DOB: 04/10/82 - ETA: July 2008
    .242/.355/.424, 12 HR, 48 RBI, 129/65 K/BB, 21 SB in 389 AB for Double-A Chattanooga

    Dickerson only really lacks in one area, but it's a big one. He's amassed averages of .236 and .243 the last two years, leaving him at .253 in his career. Dickerson is a terrific athlete with a great deal of range in center field. On offense, he displays 15-homer potential and draws a fair number of walks to help make up for all of the strikeouts. Still, none of that's going to matter unless he can bat .250 in the majors. A breakthrough remains a possibility, but at age 25, it's getting to be now or never.

    Next five - SS Milton Loo, LHP Phil Dumatrait, RHP Sam LeCure, OF Josh Hamilton, RHP Josh Ravin

    2006 top 15: Homer Bailey, Jay Bruce, Travis Wood, Chris Denorfia, B.J. Szymanski, William Bergolla, Travis Chick, Joey Votto, Adam Rosales, Tyler Pelland, Phil Dumatrait, Calvin Medlock, Carlos Guevara, Chris Dickerson, Justin Germano

    2005 top 10 - Edwin Encarnacion, Homer Bailey, Richie Gardner, Joey Votto, Thomas Pauly, B.J. Szymanski, Todd Coffey, William Bergolla, Phil Dumatrait, Chris Dickerson

    2004 top 10: Brandon Claussen, Ryan Wagner, Dustin Moseley, Edwin Encarnacion, Ty Howington, Phil Dumatrait, Matt Belisle, Stephen Smitherman, Joey Votto, Joe Valentine

    2003 top 10: Dustin Moseley, Bobby Basham, Ty Howington, Wily Mo Pena, Brandon Larson, Chris Gruler, Edwin Encarnacion, Luke Hudson, Josh Hall, William Bergolla
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    it looks like 2009 will be the year for the reds top spects, as most of them if not all will be MLB ready, hopefully. Interesting them saying that they want bailey in the rotation by june 1, which would be interesting throwing him straight into the rotation.

    i hope they just give enough advance of if/when his first game is, i wanna make sure i go to it lol.
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    If Homer Bailey can translate that to the majors the Reds will have a powerful 1-2-3 punch in Arroyo-Harrang-Bailey once he's ready.
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    1. Homer Bailey - RHP - DOB: 05/03/86 - ETA: May 2007
    3-5, 3.31 ERA, 49 H, 79/22 K/BB in 70 2/3 IP for Single-A Sarasota
    7-1, 1.59 ERA, 50 H, 77/28 K/BB in 68 IP for Double-A Chattanooga

    The Reds have tried to be cautious, but Bailey, the NL's top pitching prospect, is on the cusp of the majors following a dominant stint in Double-A during the second half of last year. The seventh overall pick in the 2004 draft throws 94-97 mph with movement and features a curveball that ranks as one of the top breaking pitches in the minors. With his walk rate down significantly last year, the only thing missing from his game is a plus changeup. It looks like he'll get a month or two to work on the pitch in Triple-A at the start of this year, but if the Reds want to contend, Bailey will have to be in the rotation by June 1.
    I am looking foward to seeing this guy develope well in the majors

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    yeah bailey is obviously the important facet of this.. but I would like to see Votto up this year to take over that 1B spot since Dunn will never move there.. and interestingly we are in need of Bruce more now then when we drafted him so i hope he can keep it up

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    It makes me happy that we'll finally have a decent pitching staff!

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    Votto's Estimation is a little disheartening, but what can you do. I can't wait to see what some of these guys do this year, at least Kriv has delivered in one area.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doppelgänger View Post
    Votto's Estimation is a little disheartening, but what can you do. I can't wait to see what some of these guys do this year, at least Kriv has delivered in one area.
    well with how he did in 2005, he is lucky that last year gave us anything good to say about him

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doppelgänger View Post
    Votto's Estimation is a little disheartening, but what can you do. I can't wait to see what some of these guys do this year, at least Kriv has delivered in one area.
    I disagree with Rotoworld quite a bit in their projections for some prospects. Not that Votto will be the next great, but for a kid who improved his game all around last year and returning to a stat line we were hoping to see in 2005, it seems like they are holding that one year against him quite a bit. Votto in GABP will give us our next middle of the order hitter with his big time power and considering where some rankings list him, I think the projection of "average" is just bizarre.

    As for the rest of the list, I am pretty big on Johnny Cueto. I think he could come to surprise many.

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    I'll tell you what, I am extremely excited about our prospects. I have never been this excited in my life over the Reds farm. Just imagine what the future holds.

    Baseball America entertains this thought for the 2010 season:

    catcher Miguel Perez (we will need something better here, and it should be a focus in this year's draft IMO)

    1B Joey Votto (I think he definitely has middle of the order presence)

    2B Brandon Phillips (Was last season a fluke? I really think he is going to build on it and will be a huge part of the team this year)

    3B EdE (superstar in the making, enough said)

    SS Milton Loo (I truly think Valaika or Janish have the potential to play here as well)

    LF Dunn (I do not think he will be with this team after this season, but if he has a better year than last season, we may be begging Krivsky to keep him around)

    CF Drew Stubbs (I am still not sold on him, I think this is a make or break pro season for him)

    RF Jay Bruce (will be right up there with Votto making things happen in the middle of the order)

    rotation:
    Bailey
    Harang
    Arroyo
    Cueto
    Wood

    WOW!

    closer: Sean Watson (I think it will be Coffey or Bray and Watson could be a good set-up for them)

    Thats how they see it, and if Krivsky plays his cards right, we have a future that contains young talent and a few veterans to keep things afloat. This looks like a really good team to me.


    The guys that fall off should be replaced by FA talent. As I said, we may have to look for a future catcher unless Ross just kills it this year and impresses us once again.
    For me, this season is about finding out who is improving on their game and which improvements will help the future of this ballclub.

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    Stubbs is someone who really interests me this year. If he could work out his approach he would be a tremendous all around spec.

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    I really hope he does come out big for Dayton this year. It would be really nice to see a future in CF. He didn't impress many people as a first round pick last year in Billings. I honestly didn't watch him play in Texas much at all last year and I did not know what to think about him other than what was written. So, I hope he proves me and a lot of other people wrong this season and can make it to Sarasota and end it there with some good numbers by season's end.

    One thing he needs to work onhis hitting breaking stuff. Lets hope he masters that.

    Nice sig pic by the way bro.

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    Thanks man, its still a work in progress though. I was going to try Bruce, but since he lacked a college career a decent picture was not to be found.

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