Let the Dunn rumors start

[missionhockey21]

Even though the part about the players was a joke, he should of at least included someone like Cesar Izturis and a middling prospect to give it the realistic edge, maybe then Krivsky would bite (8 oz filet mignon or a buffet of pig slop, guess what Krivsky likes when it comes to quantity vs quality.)

[NFLman2033]

every year we hear Dunn is going.. well this is the first time, I really believe there is a chance.. albeit maybe not a huge one.. yes our GM doesn't like his K's.. and for that same reason he value is not going to be as high as it probably should be.. then throw on to the fact that most teams will want to make the deal that comes out in their favor.. i just find it hard to see a team that is going to give up what we need and that is top quality young pitching.. the only way he does go is if Kriv sucks it up and takes an offer that is probably less than what we want.. which in turn could piss off of us off.. but i wouldn't put that past him. Honestly him not willing to play 1B pissed me off last year so I am not worried about him leaving.. he can go.. all i care about is that the team is better when he leaves.. if its another Kearns/Lopez deal were I feel we don't really improve.. than I will be very pissed off.. we need more of a Pena/Arroyo deal. but who knows if that is even possible

[missionhockey21]

But Pena for Arroyo was a suspect deal. Epstein would of never dealt Arroyo as you know if he was pitching like that for the Red Sox. So chalk it up to Krivsky's genius or luck, I can't say on that one. But I am still not over that Kearns and Lopez deal, the fact that we traded two young, talented position players who were very much at the heart of our offense for prospects who will likely never make a huge impact (based on their scouting reports), two guys we could of easily found their brother's from another mother in free agency (Clayton and Majewski types) and one above average relief talent... that stings, badly. Even if Lopez was a fluke and has inconsistent splits or Kearns still brings that injury proneness. So just assuming that the Arroyo trade was more luck than genius and the Kearns/Lopez deal was how he views the needs of the team... I'd be scared. Perhaps I am just still bitter from that trade, but he seems to show no aversion to trading players when they are far from their peak often times and even if some Reds fans loathe Dunn, it's not the time to capitalize on his market and let's hope they realize it.

Good thoughts NFLman.

[NFLman2033]

But Pena for Arroyo was a suspect deal. Epstein would of never dealt Arroyo as you know if he was pitching like that for the Red Sox. So chalk it up to Krivsky's genius or luck, I can't say on that one. But I am still not over that Kearns and Lopez deal, the fact that we traded two young, talented position players who were very much at the heart of our offense for prospects who will likely never make a huge impact (based on their scouting reports), two guys we could of easily found their brother's from another mother in free agency (Clayton and Majewski types) and one above average relief talent... that stings, badly. Even if Lopez was a fluke and has inconsistent splits or Kearns still brings that injury proneness. So just assuming that the Arroyo trade was more luck than genius and the Kearns/Lopez deal was how he views the needs of the team... I'd be scared. Perhaps I am just still bitter from that trade, but he seems to show no aversion to trading players when they are far from their peak often times and even if some Reds fans loathe Dunn, it's not the time to capitalize on his market and let's hope they realize it.

Good thoughts NFLman.

not really much i can argue about with you post, i think all i can say is that when i stated the Pena for Arroyo deal. i was talking more about the outcome.. and that any trade we make with Dunn would probably be at best that sort of deal.. I think we will all be pissed off with what we get for him.. because we will feel like we were underpaid for him.. but lets hope that it becomes more like that deal a deal that at first doesn't sound good but in turn becomes a good deal.. Trust me.. I hated the deal when it went down.. but i can't deny how huge that deal was for us this year.

[redsrbetter]

Rumor has it that the Reds are getting rid of their big strikeout hitter -- Adam Dunn. Do you think the Astros will try to get him on a trade? I would love to see Adam here! His hometown is New Caney.
-- Samuel R., Houston
Apparently, Dunn is salivating at the idea of playing for his hometown Astros. And yes, the Reds are throwing around the idea of trading him for pitching. So it's something that I'm sure both teams will look into this winter.
I've made my opinions of Dunn clear in past mailbags, and those opinions aren't too popular among those who want the 6-foot-6 slugger in the Astros' lineup. I won't beat around the bush -- his 194 strikeouts make my stomach turn. The Astros have enough hitters who whiff on a much-too-regular basis. Why add another?
But a friend of mine who is close to the Reds organization swayed my opinions a bit. First of all, as we know, Dunn is a terrific home run hitter. He's hit at least 40 three years in a row. And he walks a lot. He's drawn at least 100 free passes in each of the last three seasons. He's averaging .380 in on-base percentage over that same span of time -- not too shabby.

He'd look quite nice hitting in the cleanup spot, behind Lance Berkman. Yes, I'll admit that. But a .234 batting average? Yikes.

http://houston.astros.mlb.com/NASApp...=.jsp&c_id=hou

So Dunn is salivating over the Stros now? I know there have been mentions and quotes of him talking about his liking toward Houston, but has he actually come out and stated this offseason that he is looking for something like this? I don't think we could believe that he is wanting to go to Houston unless we get a hint from him that he would rather be there.

[missionhockey21]

A polite comment + Astros' fans desperation for Dunn + a dash of the internet and all of a sudden we have a recipe that makes Dunn think of the Astros so much that he forgets how to use a fork and a knife. It all just sounds like idle speculation there.

Let's just hope the genius MLB.com hired for that position can convince 29 other teams this offseason of the same thing so Krivsky won't be fleeced again.

[redsfan28]

We will take Roy Oswalt for Adam Dunn.

[Slyder]

We will take Roy Oswalt for Adam Dunn.

I agree, many people will argue his batting average is too low to demand a #1 pitcher. But you are trading a potential game changer every time he comes up to bat to a team you play 19 times a year. You dont want to be the guy who gave away Stan Musial to your division rival. If the Reds are serious about leaving Phillips at 2b and Houston could be coaxed to part with Oswalt (without trading the few great spects the reds have) I would concentrate on a package of Oswalt and Adam Everett with both sides throwing in prospects to balance it out. And please NO BRAD LIDGE FOR ADAM DUNN!!!

[missionhockey21]

There is no way the Astros will do that. All of their supposed offers haven't even involved their top two or three prospects usually and I think it was even mentioned that they wouldn't trade even Lidge for Dunn. With two of their pitches possibly leaving (I haven't heard the latest on Pettitte) and Backe injured, no way do they give up their ace and the cornerstone of their staff.

[Slyder]

There is no way the Astros will do that. All of their supposed offers haven't even involved their top two or three prospects usually and I think it was even mentioned that they wouldn't trade even Lidge for Dunn. With two of their pitches possibly leaving (I haven't heard the latest on Pettitte) and Backe injured, no way do they give up their ace and the cornerstone of their staff.

Nor would I expect them to. I was just referencing the point of where I would draw the line in the sand.

[Providence A's]

wow, I wouldn't trade Oswalt for Dunn...to me Oswalt > Dunn. I don't believe Dunn is worth a #1 starter now. Maybe for a "potential" #1, but not a proven guy. I might trade a number 2 for him, but I think it's more likely that he'd be traded for a 3 or 4 and some specs if he's traded at all.

[missionhockey21]

And that's exactly why he shouldn't be traded now. The Reds can't afford to keeping dealing players at low, especially when their potential exceeds it (and in this case, Dunn IS our offense with Ed E as you can't depend on guys like Aurilia, Hatteberg or Ross to repeat.

If the Reds are dead set on trading Dunn, sign the best pitching coach that would bring out his skill set and trade him at his peak. The Reds won't have a guy with Dunn's level of potential offensive production for quite some time, so if you sell, you got to be smart about it as odds are much better that he bounces back next season then drops lower.

[McKain]

Tony Armas Jr., Saul Rivera, and Cristian Guzman for Adam Dunn.

Kearnsy needs his pal back

[missionhockey21]

Bowden is already on the phone and Krivsky is driving a hard bargain, Billy Traber or the deal is off.

[McKain]

Oh **** that.

Billy Traber, hell no. Have... ****ing... have Ramon Ortiz.