Theo to Chicago Cubs

[realmofotalk]

Moorad has nothing to do with it. The point is the Cubs appointed someone else GM. Why would they do this if Theo is only "president" in name only?

Well, if I can get two teams' GM's for basically the price of one, I'll do the deal too.

[HollywoodLeo]

Well, if I can get two teams' GM's for basically the price of one, I'll do the deal too.

Of course. But that doesn't make Theo the GM.

[DMBZeppelin]

I'd have no problem admitting that the purpose of giving him the title of "President of Baseball Operations" is just to circumvent compensation.

That is clearly not the purpose of making Theo president. He was actually the best man for the job.

And if the Red Sox had no compensation rules to stand on, why didn't the Cubs get Theo much sooner than they did?

What rules are you talking about? Teams can ask for compensation anytime someone is under contract. As has been pointed teams usually let guys take promotions no strings attached. It's the classy thing to do, but at no point was Theo coming to the Cubs without compensation. They didn't care it was a promotion. They asked for Castro out of the gate.

With your Poll question... Will Theo lead the Cubs to the World Series... if u didn't view him as your GM you wouldn't phrase it like that... You'd ask if Hoyer will... but you know Theo will be calling the shots

You do realize that the President of Baseball Operations is still apart of baseball decisions...? I phrased it like that because Theo is going to put together the front office as he sees fit. That includes Hoyer as General Manager. Hoyer is the GM without a doubt. There'd been rumors Theo didn't want to be so involved with the day to day and spend time with his family. Who do you think will be working the phones and handling the duties of General Manager? Hoyer... why? Because he's the General Manager.

I have to ask you why you are so upset about Theo actually being president? Like why is this concept so hard for you to process?

In letting Hoyer (and McLeod) leave, not only did Moorad hand the Cubs another GM without any haggling but he helped Boston cover Theo's front office personnel needs thus reducing the compensation the Cubs would owe.

This is once again not true. None of the people rumored to be coming with Theo would have been GM's. The very first rumor out there was Theo wanted Byrnes.

[Tobywan]

With your Poll question... Will Theo lead the Cubs to the World Series... if u didn't view him as your GM you wouldn't phrase it like that... You'd ask if Hoyer will... but you know Theo will be calling the shots

Maybe it's just me but if DMB viewed Theo as the GM I don't think the 3rd and 4th sentences in the first post of the afore mentioned thread would have been…

Now that Theo is officially coming to Chicago. Will he end the curse for the Cubs as well?

Some things to consider.

He'll have Jed Hoyer as his general manager.

I know I’m blonde, but…..

[Providence A's]

Theo is more likely to end the curse of this thread than the curse of the Cubs.

[cjkalt]

I just think your getting fixated on titles as opposed to how it will work

[Trendy Bastard]

Act like you have any knowledge on how it's going to work. Were just going by what we know. You're assuming with zero fact behind it.

[HollywoodLeo]

I just think your getting fixated on titles as opposed to how it will work

I'm fixated on facts.

Here's the bottom line.

I'm sure the Cubs covet Theo for his new position because of his GM skills which is why they love the idea of having him as the final say for GM moves.

I'm sure making it not a lateral move also allowed them to decide to give him a promotion....but (and this is key) It's still a promotion.

[DMBZeppelin]

I just think your getting fixated on titles as opposed to how it will work

I just don't understand your logic. Why would the Cubs bring in Hoyer as the GM if he wasn't going to be an actual GM? They wanted to compensate two teams and pay two guys a lot of money?

You still haven't explained why you think the Cubs would lie about his position, or the intent behind it. There's no reason to lie about his title. If he was just going to be the GM they could have hired him as a GM and made Hoyer assistant GM. The compensation to the Boston would still be the same.

[cjkalt]

Facts:

- Cubs ask for permission to speak to Theo for GM job
- Theo asks to report to Ricketts directly
- Cubs enter negotiations for Theo
- Details leak on 5 yr/18.5 contract and title unknown...
- Theo asks Byrnes to join, turned down, then asks Hoyer, says he'll join
- Sox leak compensation package for Beane
- Leaked that theo will have. We title Pres of Baseball ops
- Negotiations stall...

I'm skeptical cause Theo wants challenge of rebuilding Chicago... 28 GMs have last call on day to day ops... Difference is reason Theo wanted to
Leave Boston was to have that power

I'm not saying they at lying but I think titles won't be used in standard way in Chicago ( And neither do the Red Sox I
Might add)

[DMBZeppelin]

Facts:

- Cubs ask for permission to speak to Theo for GM job
- Theo asks to report to Ricketts directly
- Cubs enter negotiations for Theo
- Details leak on 5 yr/18.5 contract and title unknown...
- Theo asks Byrnes to join, turned down, then asks Hoyer, says he'll join
- Sox leak compensation package for Beane
- Leaked that theo will have. We title Pres of Baseball ops
- Negotiations stall...

I'm skeptical cause Theo wants challenge of rebuilding Chicago... 28 GMs have last call on day to day ops... Difference is reason Theo wanted to
Leave Boston was to have that power

I'm not saying they at lying but I think titles won't be used in standard way in Chicago ( And neither do the Red Sox I
Might add)

You're wrong on that it was just for the GM job. It was reported earlier this summer that Ricketts talked to Pat Gillick about being Cubs president. When that didn't happen Ricketts was mostly looking for a GM. He wasn't just going to make anybody president. It's been known that's a job Theo wanted. So that's the job he has.

Negotiations did NOT stall from Theo getting that title. They stalled because the Cubs laughed at the Red Sox when the asked for names like Castro, Garza, and Brett Jackson. People like Kevin Goldstein from Baseball Prospectus said Larry's feelings were hurt. Dragging this out was sort of a last dig at Theo. When the Cubs asked to interview Theo the Red Sox talked to him about an extension. Theo said he was gone after next year.

I just don't understand why you seem to think Theo being president means something it shouldn't. That the Cubs are trying to pull the wool over our eyes for the purpose of.... nothing. Because it had nothing to do with compensation or anything of that sort. Why or where you got that idea in your head is beyond me. The Cubs asked to interview Theo. Henry himself said when someone ask to interview someone about a promotion there's a protocol in the business to allow them to do that. Why would Henry call this a promotion? He did this well before the president info leaked. I guess Henry is probably in on the conspiracy too...

[HollywoodLeo]

Facts:

- Cubs ask for permission to speak to Theo for GM job
- Theo asks to report to Ricketts directly
- Cubs enter negotiations for Theo
- Details leak on 5 yr/18.5 contract and title unknown...
- Theo asks Byrnes to join, turned down, then asks Hoyer, says he'll join
- Sox leak compensation package for Beane
- Leaked that theo will have. We title Pres of Baseball ops
- Negotiations stall...

I'm skeptical cause Theo wants challenge of rebuilding Chicago... 28 GMs have last call on day to day ops... Difference is reason Theo wanted to
Leave Boston was to have that power

I'm not saying they at lying but I think titles won't be used in standard way in Chicago ( And neither do the Red Sox I
Might add)

Facts:

- Theo is not the GM in Chicago
- Jed Hoyer is

[DMBZeppelin]

Facts:

- Theo is not the GM in Chicago
- Jed Hoyer is

Facts:

- cjkalt doesn't like facts.

[cjkalt]

We we're giving up Youk and 3 top flight specs for beane why isn't Theo worth 2?

[Trendy Bastard]

You damn Red Sox fans keep insisting that this is the same situation. Beane was under contract for 6 more years! As opposed to Theo being under contract for one. This is a promotion, opposed to being a lateral move.

Also let me add that at that time, Beane was an innovator. He was worth 2/3 top prospects because he was heads above everyone else. Nobody played the GM game like he did. Remember the movie that just came out last month? Time has changed since then. People have picked up his strategy since.

^^